Yes its hard for EE's to hear ghosts, mermaids and dragons. I sugest those that do seek help.
That's what the music is for 🙂 It conjures up images and emotions, I remember listening to some Chopin and I was very relaxed and absorbed by the music, I thought I understood what he was conveying, it seemed to me he made a little musical joke and I laughed 😀
I'll take the bait again (yesterday it was useless with another similar claim, but what the hell...).
Please point me to the post where this plan test was described and confirmed to be valid by the almighty sensory tests gurus.
I often talked with (pop) musicians about this. Most of them are not at all interested in Hifi. Guitarists visualise the play of the fingers on the guitar neck of the guitarist they are listening to. Even the physical feeling of the chords under their fingers. Their minds seems to reconstruct the sounds they are used to.
P.A. sound engineers reconstruct the scene view from the mixing desk etc.
It is very difficult for a violinist to accept a convincing recorded sound of a violin, because what they are used to is the very different way their violin sound near their ears.
A perfect example of what myself and others called "word salad". Here is the reality, whatever are you going to mishmash about.
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/the...wtorch-preamplifier-iii-2150.html#post5818749
just a product of their environment/training.......so in this case being uneducated could be better.
Ignorance is bliss as they say 😀
Wish I could find it, but the search function is not very good if you have tried to find things around here. Doesn't matter, I don't think in this case. The idea that one can test oneself blind is pretty plainly obvious. Its more an issue of actually wanting to do it, rather than figuring out how. I have done it, and so could you if you wanted to, and you know it.
As far as approval from anyone else, I didn't ask for any. I merely pointed out that it can be easily done and how I have done it.
If you don't understand the words, just ask. Or, maybe you use the term 'word salad' to refer to anything you don't like hearing.
I've had this argument with Mark, is it such a great thing to be educated in hearing small differences (unless it's your job of course)? What if you find you can't turn it off and, I don't know, just laugh at the imaginary joke you thought Chopin just told. Personally I'm not prepared to take the risk
Nope. Here's an (pathological) example of word salad:
"Obey space cat disjointed languages swearing admit stranger bit dressing"
I am sure Jakob is appreciating your efforts to defend him
, but please focus in finding that test plan example. This would add some meat to the word salad and make it more palatable.P.S. I now recall the Muppet Show illustrating more refined versions of "word salad". Also Monty Python's Flying Circus.
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It would wreck the whole experience.......
We might become, oh goodness......we might become objective audiophiles!😱
Mark is exactly correct.
In nearly every research paper that I & Jakob have linked to there are examples of well designed blind tests & issues encountered in blind testing.
What Jakob & I are mostly saying on here is that perceptual testing is not the trivial matter that is often presented on audio forums
It seems that you don't like that & won't read the research which uses blind testing but instead want a simplistic answer like a single distortion figure. Sorry, but that approach is just as incorrect in audio electronic measurement & testing as it is in audio perceptual testing
I would assume you are not a native English speaker. Actually, I see some questions and comments about dacs from non-English speakers that come out somewhat like your exaggerated example, but as usual, you seem to exaggerate for tactical reasons, to put your opponent at a disadvantage. Can't compete in an online exchange otherwise?
As a change from the advertised program for light entertainment I am proud to report my eldest has got herself a PhD placement. Her preferred choice of sweden looking at quantum magnets didn't follow on so she's accepted Marseilles studying thin film optical coatings.
Normal service is now resumed.
P.S. Greetings from Chianti. One of the few places where I miss the joy of dead animals. My products – Dario Cecchini
Normal service is now resumed.
P.S. Greetings from Chianti. One of the few places where I miss the joy of dead animals. My products – Dario Cecchini
None of concern. Please focus in finding that test plan example, that's all that I care about, at this point. The rest is noise of zero average.
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