What uf ?
It sounds like enough to make any SMPS device saturate to the point where it would stop working correctly.
It sounds like enough to make any SMPS device saturate to the point where it would stop working correctly.
When it comes to speaker selection and testing, I hope that people have come to realize that there is 'no free lunch' and every sort of speaker design has its good and bad characteristics, some of which might be forgotten, because other 'specs' appear to be so good.
Personally, from my experience, I think that 'time response' is not given enough importance, and that flat frequency response is over-stressed.
Personally, from my experience, I think that 'time response' is not given enough importance, and that flat frequency response is over-stressed.
And when they don’t have good response characteristics, they are just a filter as much as they are a speaker. The different speed or response between different frequencies cancelling some things and/or accentuating others.
The thing about frequency response is that the ear/brain can learn to compensate to some degree. That is why people can learn how to mix well using NS-10M speakers. One has to learn what a mix should sound like on the particular speaker.
OTOH, it doesn't seem to be equally possible for the ear/brain to learn how to compensate for less accurate time resolution.
All IMHO, of course.
OTOH, it doesn't seem to be equally possible for the ear/brain to learn how to compensate for less accurate time resolution.
All IMHO, of course.
I think that we have to separate the irregular frequency response mechanisms from each other. If they are geometrical, perhaps they are not always as bad as if they are due to resonances.
EQing a resonance doesn't fix its time response though. It still rings, only at a lower volume.
My understanding is that if the resonance is minimum phase then a minimum phase filter will fix it
Is a used NS-1000M (studio monitor) at eBay more accurate?
YAMAHA NS-1000MM 3-Way Closed-Type A+B From Japan with Tracking Number F/S (8) 4960693135501 | eBay
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Unfortunately, no. Yamaha hasn't been able to hit another home run although they have tried.
Depends on the mechanism. A bell glued to a driver can't really be eq'ed out. Many driver resonance are like little bells that start ringing after the trigger has gone.
No magic to replace well engineered drivers.
Markw4 and Demian, I think you are right about this. We have been EQing forever, but it usually does not completely fix the 'time response'.
I'm not sure what these are, but they're not NS-1000M's, which had beryllium mids and tweeters. Not bad in their day (late 1970's) - wish I'd kept mine.
My understanding of the beauty of the NS-10 was that if you mixed it to sound great on NS-10s it would sound quite good on most consumer systems, car radios and so on. It was a way to have an “intended audience reference”.
In other words it wasn’t to replace other monitors. Frequently in studios you would see big built-ins and then perched up on the console a beat up pair of NS-10s.
I’m curious what the technical similarities where that made it such a cult piece in studios at that time.
I agree with both JC and Scott on the merits of the Met-7s. Rather than knock its frequency response, get a pair and see what it is they are doing right.
I think we can all agree that we’ve heard speakers with very good frequency response and poor sound?
In other words it wasn’t to replace other monitors. Frequently in studios you would see big built-ins and then perched up on the console a beat up pair of NS-10s.
I’m curious what the technical similarities where that made it such a cult piece in studios at that time.
I agree with both JC and Scott on the merits of the Met-7s. Rather than knock its frequency response, get a pair and see what it is they are doing right.
I think we can all agree that we’ve heard speakers with very good frequency response and poor sound?
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If I wanted the maximum bang for the buck ($), I would go back to building my own.... here there are speaker system forums which are designing and building some very accurate reproduction in most of the important ways.
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Richard,
I’m curious to know which you feel are the standouts, or which appeal to you of what’s here on the forums.
In whatever categories you feel to be meaningful.
(I’d be most interested in what you’d build in a smaller footprint)
I’m curious to know which you feel are the standouts, or which appeal to you of what’s here on the forums.
In whatever categories you feel to be meaningful.
(I’d be most interested in what you’d build in a smaller footprint)
It was more like: if you make it sound decent on the NS-10 then you´re good, cause it will sound better on almost anything else
Not sure I agree entirely. But people have said that.
I have listened to them with a small Yamaha amp that I think wasn´t optimal. A100a
I have listened to them with a small Yamaha amp that I think wasn´t optimal. A100a
flat on axis freq response
flat off axis response to 90 degrees (-3dB)
flat power response
low distortion to 30Hz
high dynamic range
no compression at realistic spl
time aligned.
low and constant GD
near field listening distance.
You can put your own tolerances to those.... the tighter, the more accurate.
In a small foot print would be hard --- don't know.... would have to give up too much IMO. I have not owned a small speaker system in decades..... limited dynamic range, limited low end, -- I would try to find ones only designed for high accuracy monitors of 2-way and listen in near-field only.
THx-RNMarsh
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I must disagree. Flat SPL and flat power response will almost certainly have way too much energy in the all too important region of 2-5kHz. For speakers to sound natural, this region should be relaxed by a couple of dB. BBC and Linkwitz is correct from my experience. Mics and speakers are much more directional than human ears. A live event recorded with directional mics and played back on directional speakers will not sound natural and will not sound the same as if a human ear heard it live to begin with. Unless of course the mix was made on those speakers and the engineer applied a BBC EQ. But 90% of the time, better not to have so much energy in that region.
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