How many times does it need to be said that the flat earth belief was never widely held. The ancients made a good approximation of the earth's circumference with reasoning natures greatest gift to mankind.
Don't hold your breath. Virtually all the technology you enjoy the use of every day is from these people full of "wrong" beliefs.
Yeah, like how our world behaves under the very fine tooth comb we've observed it at? Or how Newtonian physics works really freaking well for most things? And goodness knows we've outmoded Newtonian physics by a long while. Hint, how many atoms wide is a modern transistor's channel in a 14nm process, much less the 7nm or smaller under development? (give or take 8nm fin width * ~4 atoms/nm = 32 atoms wide; albeit this is not exactly correct as you'd need to look more at the lattice constant than the interatomic distance)
There's not going to be a whole new rule book about how the universe behaves (at least not to our regular observation), but a constant refinement of what's going on under the hood.
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Ha! I bet there were people saying the same to Henri Poincare and maybe to Einstein too some 100+/- years ago about the gravitational waves. 😉
They certainly had their pushback, no doubt, but don't remember their theories violating theory-validated-by-experiment as known in their era. In other words, it was pure theory.
We entertain string theory, and goodness knows there's plenty of controversy there. But that's a LONG WAYS away from longitudinal pressure waves impinging on fine hairs and bones in one's ears, no?
We entertain string theory, and goodness knows there's plenty of controversy there. But that's a LONG WAYS away from longitudinal pressure waves impinging on fine hairs and bones in one's ears, no?
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Don't forget what Einstein said to LeMaitre when presented with the analysis the inferred the big bang!
But given Science and Engineering working together actually measured gravitational waves (with the help of nasty 8-legs and good precision analog design amongst other things) without needing any fancy audiograde stuff would infer that the science behind audio is safe. Psycho-acoustics may yet reveal some stuff, but that's hardly going to topple newton 🙂
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New Theory of the Universe
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Hi Scott,
-Chris
That's just the way the split worked, and no, we didn't talk about it. I'm surprised this even came up.
-Chris
Hi ridikas,
You seem to accept that any reason is good enough to suspend the normal rules of Physics and the universe. I guess what engineers do can look like magic to someone who hasn't been formally trained. You've got to give good engineers their credit. No one, not even John can create a great sounding piece of equipment without following good engineering practice ... and by using <gasp> electronic instruments. I've said this many times, but designing good gear involves both measuring and listening. I don't know of any good engineers that don't do both. Of course I don't know most engineers, but the ones I do know that are any good follow both lines of investigation.
These days, we can pretty much measure anything you can hear unless the human brain is creating an experience. Instrumentation has come a long way from the times that most of the papers you read are from. I spend every cent I can to improve my own equipment, and it pays dividends in servicing and design work. You really can't design by ear no matter who would have you believe this. Guys who appear to are falling back on decades of learned experience and past measurements.
As for John, he is also complimented often. Its only when he pushes something without evidence that is supposed to do magical things that he gets pushback. Anything Bybee is a great example of this. That and other comments that would have a response no matter who said it.
I guess it's easy to put someone on a cross so you can defend him or her. Blind faith will not serve you well in a technical field. Pay attention to the landscape so you get a balanced view of what is going on. If you don't understand the subject matter, it would be best to watch, listen and learn before throwing your hat in the ring.
-Chris
You seem to accept that any reason is good enough to suspend the normal rules of Physics and the universe. I guess what engineers do can look like magic to someone who hasn't been formally trained. You've got to give good engineers their credit. No one, not even John can create a great sounding piece of equipment without following good engineering practice ... and by using <gasp> electronic instruments. I've said this many times, but designing good gear involves both measuring and listening. I don't know of any good engineers that don't do both. Of course I don't know most engineers, but the ones I do know that are any good follow both lines of investigation.
These days, we can pretty much measure anything you can hear unless the human brain is creating an experience. Instrumentation has come a long way from the times that most of the papers you read are from. I spend every cent I can to improve my own equipment, and it pays dividends in servicing and design work. You really can't design by ear no matter who would have you believe this. Guys who appear to are falling back on decades of learned experience and past measurements.
As for John, he is also complimented often. Its only when he pushes something without evidence that is supposed to do magical things that he gets pushback. Anything Bybee is a great example of this. That and other comments that would have a response no matter who said it.
I guess it's easy to put someone on a cross so you can defend him or her. Blind faith will not serve you well in a technical field. Pay attention to the landscape so you get a balanced view of what is going on. If you don't understand the subject matter, it would be best to watch, listen and learn before throwing your hat in the ring.
-Chris
Hi John,
You know, you have got to have a lifetime of experiences you can talk about, various circuit configurations that you have experience with. You certainly can avoid conflict. You know full well what will cause a tempest in a teapot before you say it.
In all fairness, I have a ton of respect for most people here, and that includes you. You aren't on enemy turf at all.
BTW, I'm very happy to hear you won the fight with the bottle. I have family members who fought that same fight and won. I know this wouldn't have been easy for you, but your health is worth it. Your outlook on the world has also probably improved too.
Someone close to me has not yet realised that the bottle is a problem. It's very difficult for all of us, especially when they decide to lash out against people around them. Anyone still calling you a friend is a true friend John. They made it through that period with you.
Enough said. Learn to look on the bright side, most people will help you.
-Chris
You know, you have got to have a lifetime of experiences you can talk about, various circuit configurations that you have experience with. You certainly can avoid conflict. You know full well what will cause a tempest in a teapot before you say it.
In all fairness, I have a ton of respect for most people here, and that includes you. You aren't on enemy turf at all.
BTW, I'm very happy to hear you won the fight with the bottle. I have family members who fought that same fight and won. I know this wouldn't have been easy for you, but your health is worth it. Your outlook on the world has also probably improved too.
Someone close to me has not yet realised that the bottle is a problem. It's very difficult for all of us, especially when they decide to lash out against people around them. Anyone still calling you a friend is a true friend John. They made it through that period with you.
Enough said. Learn to look on the bright side, most people will help you.
-Chris
Hi Anatech,
Of course one needs to follow good engineering principles. But one also has to innovate and come up with new ideas.
Many people can hear differences between capacitors and cables and they're not stupid, as many around here like to call them. I'm one of them.
We can measure much more about capacitors and cables now, then we did before. And I bet there's exactly one infinity of parameters left. One day we'll know exactly why there are sonic differences, but it will take imagination, creativity, and intelligence to get there.
Of course one needs to follow good engineering principles. But one also has to innovate and come up with new ideas.
Many people can hear differences between capacitors and cables and they're not stupid, as many around here like to call them. I'm one of them.
We can measure much more about capacitors and cables now, then we did before. And I bet there's exactly one infinity of parameters left. One day we'll know exactly why there are sonic differences, but it will take imagination, creativity, and intelligence to get there.
It came up in the prior outburst that Scott "started" this incantation of the thread. Towards the end we were all racing to be the 100,000th (millionth? can't remember) post before the split was to occur. Scott won. 🙂
If it's deliberately done to some desired effect and that effect has a genuine chance of being heard rather than seen, I'd argue that was a form of engineering.
As to the last part, we're all looking for that je ne sais quoi that makes us happy about our playback and what we're hearing. There's a thousand ways that can be done, whether they have any basis in affecting the sound waves that impinge on our ear. I really have no problem with that! But there's no need to invoke any sort of silly "magic" to do so.
*I should not be allowed to interface with the public at large, especially in ad copy. 🙂
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