Mark will always be interested with Psychology. And vacuphile just posted a good and correct one. But I believe the agreement is simply because they both have good ears. Normal in any blind test events.
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Same quality and affects, meaning that they sounded same?
Thank you for confirming, especially a delight to T's tirade at me.
No. meaning, we each heard the same character differences of each DAC.
THx-RNMarsh
Because you are both agreeable, you both heard the same character differences of each DAC.
You have a container load of measuring equipment. It is not criticism but serious bewilderment. This is your opportunity to, perhaps, correlate something you can hear with something you can measure.....and you miss the opportunity.
You have a container load of measuring equipment. It is not criticism but serious bewilderment. This is your opportunity to, perhaps, correlate something you can hear with something you can measure.....and you miss the opportunity.
Because we are not disagreeable, we did not get into an extremely violent fistfight over differences we heard?
Toole and Olive (you know, the people you aren't interested in reading), amongst others, have done a lot of work in that area. It does mean though that people have to agree to use the terminology, can you really envisage that ever happening? Can you imagine Dan, for instance, not just using his own regardless?
From their web site: "In the DAC3, Benchmark uses the following techniques
to maximise the performance of the ES9028PRO: .........6-layer circuit board
with external ground planes - reduces noise and provides RF shielding"
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An observation from the past
I remember the owner of the Ariston had to go and buy the beers after the event, as he lost his own bet being very confident of the superiority of his TT upfront.😀
George
Lots of room for conjecture and guessing and assumptions.
The person doing the changes has done those tests and came up with this solution. He used his own spectrum anal (his goes out to 2 GHz). I see no reason i need to redo everything others do. He did it, and I wanted to hear the result... if I could.
Mark and I have differences sometimes but it is not in what we each hear. We hear the same things.
More shielding and absorption of HF signal which are field coupled into analog appears to make some difference.
But, like I said the larger detectable difference is from analog source vs digital source.
THx-RNMarsh
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Or that difference may have been caused by level mismatch. Looks like some investigation is in order.
I’ve read tooles ‘loudspeaker measurement and their relationship to listener preferences’ 1 and 2 ....
It said nothing but the obvious.
My time is better spent doing my own subjective testing......i think I’m going to study that Delta ‘sound wheel’ a little more, at least I’ll be able to start my subjective findings with ‘the sound wheel evaluation results are’..... 😀
Interesting, I can scarcely imagine two more (visually) different turntables! Also, the Beograms that I have seen have rather stiff, low-travel suspensions. It just goes to show there are a lot of details to account for.
Gotcha, apologies, Sound Reproduction Loudspeakers and Rooms is worth reading too. Anyway, I can't imagine people agreeing on terminology, that's the beauty of measurements 🙂
Here's something I came across in a review of an amp showcasing Bruno Putzey's Purifi's new class D amp module 1ET400A & it has relevance to what you said above about too much reverberation in a recording
Just something to think about, perhaps?
For EH another interesting piece haha 😕 Element 114
you keep going on about level matching.....What would be your protocol for proper ‘level matching’?
For example when I’m testing different changes I do it at the same input level of the same track played at the same volume setting then verified with a running average of the entire track (fr and dB level from lp.)
Some changes are going to equate to a different loudness perception but I don’t see that as controllable unless you eq everything flat after each change?
If this is the case then imo flat is not best.
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