More than this, the requisite is not the same for everybody. It depends of the kind of music you prefer (pop/modern Jazz or classical/acoustic Jazz, the kind of enclosure you have (horns high power+efficiency/low efficiency), the king of dynamic and tonal character they have. All is matter of balance.
Sure there is - there should be room for everybody in a hobby to experience/engage in that hobby in the way that interests them.
My question is why would those who know they're not interested in the details care about attacking those who are interested in this aspect - is that there hobby, not music?
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I'm not sure, with my poor English to have understood well what you mean.
This forum is mamed "Do it yourself audio". Right ?
So it is about the way to *reproduce music*, and the tips and tricks on how to design, build and improve a home system, right ?
Music is something very cultural, subjective and artistic.
Way to listen is the same, matter of taste.
So, all the sharings of listening impressions seems perfectly in topic to me. All the topics about the way to improve measurements and performance as well, it is a part of the DIY.
The wars against "fashion", "snake oil" etc, are totally out of topic and useful OMHO. We are not so rich (for the huge majority of us) to afford high end products (they are not DIY), and not so unwashed to worry about snake oil.
As it is obvious that what "sound good" for the one is not the same than for an other, all opinions on this subject are subjective, and, by definition, to be listened with a pinch of salt. No need to ask for "proof": there is never any proof in the absence of known and scientifically established thresholds.
Again, we are all different. And even most of us, at an old age, do not have the same technical requisites that the ones we had at the age of 20, when we were able to listen up to 23 000Hz. Right ? And there is some mysteries in our ways to experience things, our listenings impressions, that is interesting to talk about, compare, trying to explain and understand-it.
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You may not like rock music, IF you use tube amp. Its system dependent. With some systems, even spoken words are engaging. Music is designed to be musical. The better your system is, the more music sounds musical through it.
The first criteria for the music to be musical, is that it should be performed by great musicians. So if with your system your preference do not correlate with the quality of the musicians, something is not right with your system.
Here is a youtube video of Suzanne Vega. This recording is special for me compared to others because when the system is not right i don't enjoy it but when the system is right Suzanne's musicality will be obvious. In this video there is also electronic instrument. When the system is right the electric guitar will sound gorgeous but if not, it will be fatiguing. Feel the 'emotions'
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Sure is, but I would think as a devout music lover that anyone who listens to music would prefer it to sound as it should and reveal all it has to offer?
The more involved I get with accurate sound reproduction the more things I hear in the music....instruments that were otherwise hidden as noise, background singers appear from nowhere, there’s even one song I’ve listened to for yrs that I figured out was really a duo after my last gear upgrade!
I get the music culture thing and have thoroughly enjoyed the club scene (to extremes in my younger days!) from both sides of the stage but not sure what you mean about not being bothered by the details?
Unless your a singer/songwriter playing acoustic guitar unplugged to a intimate crowd I would think sound needs to be addressed in every aspect of music?
There's no such business in my country. Of course, i will not hesitate to start one if it were feasible.
Ok, when you say ‘when the system is not right’ are you referencing your own system being askew or another entirely different system that doesn’t flatter this recording?Here is a youtube video of Suzanne Vega. This recording is special for me compared to others because when the system is not right i don't enjoy it but when the system is right Suzanne's musicality will be obvious. In this video there is also electronic instrument. When the system is right the electric guitar will sound gorgeous but if not, it will be fatiguing. Feel the 'emotions'
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Some sort of odd pattern here?
Hey bonsai, hate all you want......I’ve finally found others that can actually describe from experience what I’ve been going on about!
This ever so slight validation gives me encouragement.
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Who said I addressed anything to you?
Peace
My how this thread has warped you over the last 12 months Mark...
There are. Every so often a well behaved music thread appears here and people discuss what is important! Turns out ToS and I share an interest in weird French synth compositions
@Howie: To my eternal shame I have the sheffield track record. I get exactly where you are coming from. I do spin it now and again to remind me how far I have come from a young audiophool who believed what the reviewers wrote
Anyway, I'm am feeling better today now recovering from what was likely a little food poisoning. Even better, I have been told I should have an AK4499 board here in about a week
I'm glad you're feeling better. Not too many things are more miserable than food poisoning.
Did you get an AKM eval board? I didn't realize anyone even had samples yet.
I simply said that I don't care which set of claims about the modulator (JohnW's or Martin Mallinson's) were correct. Somehow you have managed to take that way out of context and make a useless generalization, congratulations.
...@Howie: To my eternal shame I have the sheffield track record. I get exactly where you are coming from. I do spin it now and again to remind me how far I have come from a young audiophool who believed what the reviewers wrote
Yup...these days I prefer musicians who express more...dynamic emotions: YouTube
Cheers,
Howie
Something seems to have changed. Don't how much is attributable to this thread. Very often, there is more to a story than may be immediately apparent.
Some of it is that I see the same old issues never die, they just go into periodic remission. Its a like a microcosm of the banned subjects. The same aspects of human nature that cause problems with those subjects actually affect all controversial subjects, just somewhat less intensely in the case of allowed topics.
Chris, thank you for the the kind thought. I wish we could find a way to argue less, even if we don't always see things the same.
It hasn't been a week since I heard one was supposed to be coming. Most of you probably don't know Jam (his American-ized name), but he has been a high end audio designer for a long time having worked at Wadia, Cary Sound, and Pass Labs. After having been cut loose from Pass Labs he is setting out on his own. One of his partnerships is with a well known audio transformer outfit, and they are developing a line of high end audio products that may start coming out some months from now. It's a lot work to get production going from scratch, apparently.
We met a few months ago and go out for coffee sometimes to chat, that kind of thing. He seems to know enough about high end audio design to make a successful line of analog products, and he says high end is almost exclusively vinyl based. Therefore, he has little experience and knowledge of dacs, which is where our present interests seem to coincide. I would like to get my hands on an AK4499, and he would like a dac for his own use that sounds really good. He has the clout with distributors to get their attention, and the AKM distributor is apparently willing to go to bat with Japan to get him a board. If it works out, I will get custody of the board to get it working and to play around with, see what it can do. Jam is interested to do any design of discrete analog subsystems that fit in with what he is good at. Whether or not whatever we do might end up a as a product someday depends on how the experiment turns out, and of course, if he wants to find someone to productize it. I am retired and as always has been the case, I have no interest in laying out circuit boards and or selling something. My personal interest is to have fun and explore what we can come up with. If its good, we will make a second one so we can both have one.
Regarding when AK4499 eval boards will appear at Digi-Key, I have no idea. It could be the end of next week, the same time we are promised one, or even a few days sooner. Again, no idea on that. And no idea if the distributor will actually deliver on the promise to get us a board by end of next week.
I think both. There's aspect that can 'easily come and go' with any system being tweaked, so here it applies to me. But I think it applies to general system too because many systems for example cannot produce musical electric guitar and think that guitar distortion should be fatiguing. Many speakers also cannot cope with high level midrange frequencies. When there are so many things wrong how can one expect to hear the 'truth'?
If by 'audio company' you meant one that distribute audio equipment along with designing and installation of home AV room I think every country have it. No, I'm not a rich man. The only thing that made me looking at the possibility to sell my own speakers or amps were because i think i know how to make great ones. But i know now that it, the skill and knowledge, is not that important.
Thanks for the info, especially regarding the output stage local feedback. I have also checked your PM-A4 implementation. It reminds me of Dr. Bora's Calor Gold. CG is the last amp i heard where the circuit uses opamp front end and i think that i could hear the 'opamp sound'. No intention to open the can of worms here, just subjective personal experience. I have built at least 5 different amp designs with opamp input and not impressed. I'm not assuming that your amp might be the same. I myself will always try, as i have dozens of blank PCBs with opamp input.
I think I have found the amp. Listened for hours yesterday and nothing in the sound that disappointed me. It is hot like class A, but bias is only 300mA. I think this solves my electrical bill issue with pure class A amps.
Not sure how much you “know how to make great ones”, haven’t seen any of your results, but certainly you have the important part beyond “skill and knowledge”.
No, we disagree here. Your most important part is the ability to create stories that, if good enough, can sell a high end audio product. Also the ability to adapt these stories to what the prospective customer wants to hear.
What I find truly amazing is how you appear on a DIY forum with an “I don’t want to reveal” part about your original amps, and at the same time state that you are not following any commercial interest. So I have to add to the list of your traits the nerve and cheekiness absolutely required in a successful high end audio business. Good luck.
What I find truly amazing is how you appear on a DIY forum with an “I don’t want to reveal” part about your original amps, and at the same time state that you are not following any commercial interest. So I have to add to the list of your traits the nerve and cheekiness absolutely required in a successful high end audio business. Good luck.
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