Everybody chill.
Dan.
We'll my recipe for chill is a pound of low fat ground beef, a pound cut into small cubes, two pounds of pear shaped tomatoes, six red Chinese peppers...
Oops, you said chill, not chilli!
I reckon it's relevant in this thread....a whole bunch of minds old and young defining what the world wants in a modern speaker system.
The nitty gritty might to be moved but overview discussion here is fine.
It has been already mentioned.
Very kind of Spaceistheplace for his two posts. A kind of fresh air for this thread but the specifics for the future speaker belong to a new dedicated thread.

Now let’s pay some attention to the rules please.
George
George,
Sorry I didn't intend to high-jack the thread. I do find the discussion of what it will take to reach a younger market as being important to the future of the high end market, but I'll add perhaps as in many other things this industry will just become a nostalgic shell of itself, how many people still play with model trains, not many I would imagine. HiFi will go the same way it seems if it remains the same.
I'll start a thread for my particular speaker and perhaps one on marketing and the new paradigm of the younger crowds expectations.
Sorry I didn't intend to high-jack the thread. I do find the discussion of what it will take to reach a younger market as being important to the future of the high end market, but I'll add perhaps as in many other things this industry will just become a nostalgic shell of itself, how many people still play with model trains, not many I would imagine. HiFi will go the same way it seems if it remains the same.
I'll start a thread for my particular speaker and perhaps one on marketing and the new paradigm of the younger crowds expectations.
Trains aren't for everyone. Neither is good audio - especially these days.
High end audio began as a hobby for the general population. Most people had that wooden console that was their window on audio. We somehow began to sell them systems with wires (how'd that happen?). The industry eventually abused everyone (greed I guess) and we are back to it being a hobby. Personally, as long as there are people who lie and cheat in the industry (on grand levels), people will protect themselves by ignoring the industry. What else would you expect?
It's not life and death, its just audio. Everyone else knows this, why don't we?
-Chris
High end audio began as a hobby for the general population. Most people had that wooden console that was their window on audio. We somehow began to sell them systems with wires (how'd that happen?). The industry eventually abused everyone (greed I guess) and we are back to it being a hobby. Personally, as long as there are people who lie and cheat in the industry (on grand levels), people will protect themselves by ignoring the industry. What else would you expect?
It's not life and death, its just audio. Everyone else knows this, why don't we?
-Chris
Kindhornman, I found your recent input interesting, certainly more that than the general discussion about just about everything, or the politely worded insults that many make with each other.
Today, I sit with another engineer trying to make an even better power amplifier. Have we been successful so far? I think so, but we can certainly do better. It never ends, because we just do not yet know how to make the very best amplifier that it is possible with present day technology. This amp is a very different departure for me, using tracking switching power supplies, 5V analog op amps, advanced topology, etc.
I have heard this design sound wonderful, and I have heard the same design sound marginal. I hope that we can make it sound good to great in almost any situation. Still, it is a mystery to me as to exactly how.
Today, I sit with another engineer trying to make an even better power amplifier. Have we been successful so far? I think so, but we can certainly do better. It never ends, because we just do not yet know how to make the very best amplifier that it is possible with present day technology. This amp is a very different departure for me, using tracking switching power supplies, 5V analog op amps, advanced topology, etc.
I have heard this design sound wonderful, and I have heard the same design sound marginal. I hope that we can make it sound good to great in almost any situation. Still, it is a mystery to me as to exactly how.
Every material, every element has an intrinsic sound....eg AD silicon sounds different to other Si....just part of the equation.......Still, it is a mystery to me as to exactly how.
BQP is another sound too, distinctly audible but not to my long term liking imho.
Dan.
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'Bit late for that.Now let’s pay some attention to the rules please.
George
Cars, Food.... All okay, but speakers not?
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Where is our beloved, DAT tape loving SY? He isn't having dinner with Brad Wood is he?
We had dinner not long ago, Indian veggie. I finally got my replacement woofer from him to repair the NHT speakers.
'Bit late for that.
Cars, Food.... All okay, but speakers not?
Either they're actually trying to reel us in or just move any sort of topic that actually seems to be moving somewhere out of this thread before it gets lost forever. 🙂
Anyhow, it's whatever. No worries.
5V opamps, though, is a bit interesting for audio, unless it's mobile/trying to save power.
Every material, every element has an intrinsic sound....eg AD silicon sounds different to other Si....just part of the equation.
Si doesn't sound unless you whack it, wafers do make kind of interesting wind chimes (a little dull though).
I'll start a thread for my particular speaker and perhaps one on marketing and the new paradigm of the younger crowds expectations.
Thank you Steven.
I discovered this thread and I went through it
An Active loudspeaker UNIFICATION thread
Why don’t you add to it instead of opening a new one?
or just move any sort of topic that actually seems to be moving somewhere out of this thread before it gets lost forever. 🙂

George
Haha, I figured that was the case. Last time something got pulled out of this thread was because it was useful information worth curating. Thanks George for your help.
We are using very low active power supply voltages that move with the input signal so that we can use 'high efficiency' super 5V IC op amps as the main driver. We are also using some AD825's for handling part of the signal functions. This is a powerful amp, that you can carry under your arm.
Today we intensely discussed 'arbitrary' details like what board material would be best, what bypass caps, etc.
Today we intensely discussed 'arbitrary' details like what board material would be best, what bypass caps, etc.
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The trick is not in low 5W, it is actually an obstacle. The trick is, they are very fast because were developed for applications with 5V power. It is one more case of smart re-purposing of technologies designed and developed for other field, like electrolytic and film caps developed for computers, vacuum tubes for military and TV, and so on. ;-)
The idea has never taken hold... same idea used with limited voltage opamps.....to boost output volt swing..... but the smps etc have started to become important to over-all product cost.... with world wide shipping, the weight of high power transformer/rect/filter and increased size is a big transportation cost factor. But why cant we make such PS types more reliable and off the shelf at comparable/lower cost for consumer amps?
BenchMark's power amp uses a compact smps of some sort but its complexity is scary as a (re)liability.
THx-RNMarsh
BenchMark's power amp uses a compact smps of some sort but its complexity is scary as a (re)liability.
THx-RNMarsh
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