I believe it is done in ANY transport - the wobble and flutter and wow of the mechanical turntable is horrendous compared to clock stability. I don't think a CD drive would be possible without an intermediate shift register to buffer the data.
Jan
Yes it was there in the very first Philips chip set (along with the never toggling uncorrected error pin).🙄
Generally yes.
I'll have to test it to see if they do or how good/bad they do in my player before I believe it applies to my unit.
THx-RNMarsh
And that is most likely single mode with decent connectors. Toslink is nasty plastic fibre with nasty inaccurate connectors and nasty multimode. It can't possibly sound good. At least that is way some paint it. Like I say need to look for any measured data comparing the 2.
Archimago's Musings: MEASUREMENTS: Do bit-perfect digital S/PDIF transports sound the same?
Good find. 😎🙂 [I suspect my CD player will be worse than their hi-end model]
THx-RNMarsh
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Richard, the CD player is the source. What we have to care of is the quality of our DA converters.But, is that what they do to a high standard in a $200-300 CD player?
Here a digital central unit, the digital equivalent of our analog preamp ?
In an ideal multiway system, i should consider to build for each speaker a separate amplifier+ DAC + analog remote volume control + PSU.
Feeding each of them with an optical link from a digital multiway filter system / switcher. And this central unit receiving optical digital signals (or wifi radio signals) from the sources. No one ground connection between any AC powered unit.
In regard to CD transports and their problems, I think it's time to re-post the link to Ed Meitner's patent. He describes them very nicely. Note that patent was filed 20+ years ago. Most CD/DVD/SACD player manufacturers still pretend that such problems don't exsist.
Patent US5329556 - Reproduction equipment for digital audio - Google Patents
Patent US5329556 - Reproduction equipment for digital audio - Google Patents
Thank you kindly, George. While that's not exactly what I'm after, it has its merits and is welcome.
What are you after Dejan?
I'll have to test it to see if they do or how good/bad they do in my player before I believe it applies to my unit.
Which is your CD player?
Does anyone make a pass through USB connector so one can use an external super battery for power to USB devices while still getting the audio data from the computer.
A good idea. I haven’t seen such a product but you can modify a USB cable or the USB input of the DAC
>Edit. In case that the DAC box has inside a DC/DC switching converter, there will be not much of an improvement
George
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No need for such a modified usb cable, you need some adaptations on the receiving end behind the usb plug anyways
My back-ground music CD player is a Sony DVP-CX985V Its toslink output goes directly to BenchMark-2. It plays thru my main system amps/speakers. The comparison is USB/SSD stored HD files plugged into an Auraliti Pk100 and its's digital out to a dig in on the BenchMark-2. Same amps/speakers/room.
THx-RNMarsh
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I'll have to test it to see if they do or how good/bad they do in my player before I believe it applies to my unit.
THx-RNMarsh
Dick it it should be in the circuit diagram.
Jan
... but the battery on which that netbook runs just supplies a bunch of internal smps's. So I wonder if that is the big difference?
Jan
Possibly not, HRT boasts of greatly improved isolation in this device so that might be closer to the mark. I wish i could properly measure the output but it must be quite clean, it certainly sounds that way to me. Maybe there is something to the asynchronous hype after all. It's an impressive little device and a noticeable improvement over my other DAC which uses an external supply.
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In regard to CD transports and their problems, I think it's time to re-post the link to Ed Meitner's patent. He describes them very nicely. Note that patent was filed 20+ years ago. Most CD/DVD/SACD player manufacturers still pretend that such problems don't exsist.
Patent US5329556 - Reproduction equipment for digital audio - Google Patents
There is an annoying typo in the patent - it is word clock not work clock.
Jan
Possibly not, HRT boasts of greatly improved isolation in this device so that might be closer to the mark. I wish i could properly measure the output but it must be quite clean, it certainly sounds that way to me. It's an impressive little device and a noticeable improvement over my other DAC which uses an external supply.
Possibly not what?
Even with the external smps there is still smps-s internally.
Possibly not what?
Even with the external smps there is still smps-s internally.
I meant that running the devices on a battery might not be the reason for the improvement this device brought to my system. Like i said, better isolation and asynchronous USB might be the real reasons.
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The fact that it is multimode and plastic doesn't necessarily means it is nasty: multimodes can easily manage 10Gb/s nowadays, which should be sufficient for most not-too-demanding-customers, that is non-audiophil(iacs) listeners.And that is most likely single mode with decent connectors. Toslink is nasty plastic fibre with nasty inaccurate connectors and nasty multimode. It can't possibly sound good. At least that is way some paint it. Like I say need to look for any measured data comparing the 2.
What counts is the actual error rate, from an end-user perspective: if you get one unrecoverable code violation for every 24h of program, that is probably acceptable, nasty plastic or not: that is the way digital links have to be evaluated.
Of course, for transatlantic cables and terabit backbones SM fiber is required, but they are dimensioned to have a (corrected) BER comparable to MM on shorter distances.
No transmission medium has an obvious, intrinsic all-round superiority: for example, the FTTH model is now seriously challenged (or complemented?) by copper alternatives, like G.fast, the next-gen DSL.
In short, don't jump to conclusions based on ugly looks only... it could be seriously wrong
Toslink requires extra circuitry at each end to process the signal, opinions vary online as to the effect this has on signal purity. I did my own comparisons and my impression was that toslink produced the kind of sound that the original detractors of CD called 'artificial digital sound'. I got the impression that coax sounded more natural in the system i was using at the time.
Pros and cons as usual - http://thewelltemperedcomputer.com/Intro/SQ/Toslink_Coax.htm
Pros and cons as usual - http://thewelltemperedcomputer.com/Intro/SQ/Toslink_Coax.htm
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Galvanic isolation was one of the reasons i bought the music streamer iii.
The Well-Tempered Computer
Noise levels seem low even without it but it does show an improvement, at least in this article.....
The Well-Tempered Computer
Noise levels seem low even without it but it does show an improvement, at least in this article.....
As long as you are in the digital domain, there is no "Kind of sound". Just datas, with errors or not. And you can compare it objectively comparing them. No room for poetry. As said Scott, any error, executing a program at GHz in your computer can, most of the time, lead to a blue screen. Is-it so often ?Toslink requires extra circuitry at each end to process the signal, opinions vary online as to the effect this has on signal purity. I did my own comparisons and my impression was that toslink produced the kind of sound that the original detractors of CD called 'artificial digital sound'. I got the impression that coax sounded more natural in the system i was using at the time.
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Esperado - Like i said, opinions vary but quality of implementation is important. Maybe a more expensive DAC would have swayed my opinion in favour of optical.
I've just read this article, it supports using both galvanic isolation AND asynchronous USB.
http://thewelltemperedcomputer.com/Intro/SQ/Transport.htm
I'm no expert but my new DAC is definitely an improvement over my old one.
I've just read this article, it supports using both galvanic isolation AND asynchronous USB.
http://thewelltemperedcomputer.com/Intro/SQ/Transport.htm
I'm no expert but my new DAC is definitely an improvement over my old one.
In short, don't jump to conclusions based on ugly looks only... it could be seriously wrong
Sorry, my forgetting that not everyone is native English speaker and would get my feeble attempt at humour.
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