John Curl's Blowtorch preamplifier part II

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The trouble is you said this:

Instead of everyone explaining known problems and known issues and existing solutions over and over, explain why the master recording and CD made from it is sooo different in sound quality. The closest I get to the sound of real music is from downloads of a master.
This implies you're accessing the version which is result of all editing and mastering, i.e., a version intended for public release. Or do you have a direct line to the archives inside a recording studio ... 🙂
 
The trouble is you said this:

This implies you're accessing the version which is result of all editing and mastering, i.e., a version intended for public release. Or do you have a direct line to the archives inside a recording studio ... 🙂

Implies? Not really. I was referring to the well known HD downloads from sites which dont mess with the recordings. And, I have my own masters which I recorded myself.

[But I do a lot of downloads for my car which is MP3 and I dont care about the sound quality there.. and the limited dynamic range is fine and useful.]

Thx-RNMarsh
 
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Implies? Not really. I was referring to the well known HD downloads from sites which dont mess with the recordings. And, I have my own masters which I recorded myself.

[But I do a lot of downloads for my car which is MP3 and I dont care about the sound quality there.. and the limited dynamic range is fine and useful.]

Thx-RNMarsh

High-Def or HiRes downloads -- try some from HDTracks.
[or others like Reference Recordings, Chesky Records, Sheffield Lab Audiophile Recordings and the like. A lot closer to 'master' level than a typical CD or LP]

-RM
 
I think we need to be more careful here with term like resolution and use sensitivity and bandwidth. There are no hard and fast rules here about high or low sensitivity speakers. I will put the caveat that many high sensitivity bass speakers will have a limited lower octave output but this is generally for a PA type of speaker and not necessarily for an audiophile speaker that does not have to handle as high a power input. But this is all just general information and you have to look at each individual driver, you can't make blanket statements that do any of this justice.

And there are small speakers that have wide bandwidth and can have very high spl output that more than can handle what most people would ever consider loud enough or even over the top in a normal listening room.
 
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The chap in the V8 cruises up with barely a murmur from the exhaust, listening to pleasant music while doing it; the other fellow hammers it with every thing he's got, takes it to max rev's in every gear, the vibration of the engine ripples through the vehicle constantly, perspiration on his face from the concentration.

Suppose that's all both do, thousands of times.
The digital man says : tell me which one breaks down first.

(for the right answer, one requires Combustion Engines 101 and/or 102. Any Aeronautical, Mechanical, or Maritime engineering equivalent will do)
 
Release agent is what I recall having heard it termed as, to allow the unit to pop easily out of the mold.

How are CDs made - YouTube



Leading me to say it not the digital but very poor made CDs causing the CD player work fixing the errors . Well that's my view.

Even on a 'good' CD there are 1000's of errors that are being corrected on the fly, so to say, to perfection. Your view does not jive with reality.
jan

The “CD player work” is a key phrase.

It has been said again many times here:
The “glitches” and “drops” on the PSU lines in a CD transport, may degrade the function of:
-mechanical motion of servoed subunits
-electronic circuits processing the read data upstream from the error correction application section
-electronic circuits processing the read data downstream from the error correction application section

If one takes a CD transport and manage to monitor the behaviour of the PSU lines feeding the electronic circuits that are functionally downstream from the error correction application section, he will have some indications as to “what may cause which” when a certain CD transport reads a “poorly made” CD.
If he notices that these PSU variations are of concern, he may wish to start additional local decoupling or try separating -electrically and interference wise- the servos PSU from the PSU feeding the rest of the transport circuitry, or build dedicated hefty PSUs and do the monitoring again.

George
 
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What it is, is that the electronics, which are always fundamentally analogue, that are retrieving the data are working in different patterns to achieve the end result ...

Let's take a crude car analogy: need to get from bottom of a steep hill to top in a precise period of time, that's the 'digital' goal; one car has a huge, lazy, V8 engine, with slick auto gearbox, the other a hotted up, 4 cylinder unit, with open exhausts, with close ratio 6 speed manual box. The chap in the V8 cruises up with barely a murmur from the exhaust, listening to pleasant music while doing it; the other fellow hammers it with every thing he's got, takes it to max rev's in every gear, the vibration of the engine ripples through the vehicle constantly, perspiration on his face from the concentration. And ... you're a passenger with both parties ...

The digital man says, "See, equivalent journeys - you got from the bottom of the hill to the top in a precise timeframe: they are identical!" ... and, you say ...??!
I don't quite understand this analogy.
Just to put the record straight digital electronics disciplines are separate from analogue
electronics disciplines, while it is nice to attribute analogue phenomena to digital signals for many audiophiles, in the real world they are treated as two separate entities, you are not looking at the digital waveform in the same way as you look at an analogue one, the simulation software is vastly different, spice being used for analogue, some form of signal integrity software for digital (I will not get into S parameters here) taking into account the transmission lines that link each active node, terminator etc, plane locations etc.

Nice eye shot George...
 
How are CDs made - YouTube







The “CD player work” is a key phrase.

It has been said again many times here:
The “glitches” and “drops” on the PSU lines in a CD transport, may degrade the function of:
-mechanical motion of servoed subunits
-electronic circuits processing the read data upstream from the error correction application section
-electronic circuits processing the read data downstream from the error correction application section

If one takes a CD transport and manage to monitor the behaviour of the PSU lines feeding the electronic circuits that are functionally downstream from the error correction application section, he will have some indications as to “what may cause which” when a certain CD transport reads a “poorly made” CD.
If he notices that these PSU variations are of concern, he may wish to start additional local decoupling or try separating -electrically and interference wise- the servos PSU from the PSU feeding the rest of the transport circuitry, or build dedicated hefty PSUs and do the monitoring again.

George
Thank you . The parts of the CD player system have been viewed by many in isolation rather than as a whole . The play back is an approximation of the original signal for some a very very good one . However to calculate that approximation a large amount of back office work is done and not very peacefully manner to the rest of the system. Regards
 
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