My experiences in the early days of digital audio were generally the reverse of this. My initial reaction was positive, indeed I was wondering what so many of the complaints were about. However, I noticed that the system was now being used more and more as a demonstration rather than for music listening. And fatigue began to set in earlier and earlier. I was accused by one housemate who was ecstatic about the sound that I was prejudiced against it beforehand, despite my enthusiasm at the outset being expressed quite openly and honestly. Oddly, this same person couldn't stand listening to a Mackintosh MC240 in lieu of the solid state amp, after I'd repaired one for my brother and pressed it into service for a little while.
Another savant <jk> insisted that I simply needed a much higher-power amplifier, despite it being easy to show that I wasn't clipping the existing one. He contrasted this with vinyl playback, and was so often the case, was dead wrong.
Better players and software of course were forthcoming, and I can listen happily nowadays. But it took a while.
I've understand what you're saying, it can take time to learn a new sound. You had aversion to the sound of that CD player. When you have aversion to a sound it limits the loudness and length of time you can listen to it. And the more negative experiences you have with the sound the stronger the aversion (i.e. "fatigue setting in earlier and earlier").
I agree, CD has come along way. You probably didn't do CBT - cognitive behavior therapy (face your disaffections and think good thoughts), though this doesn't always work. But if you were stuck in a room listening to this CD player and couldn't avoid it, you wouldn't die and you would have to face the discomfort and in time you'd likely habituate.
According to some experts the ear can habituate to any sound. But, there is no objective proof of that. I've gotten good at CBT as I've had to in order to overcome a sound sensitivity condition I've been dealing with for some time.
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I have some Senheiser HD600 and they were at one time considered one of the best - those couldn't resolve the differences you talk about?
The 600's are ancient history. Supplanted by the HD-650 some years ago with those having been supplanted by Sennheiser's current reigning champion, the $1,400 HD-800.
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The 600's are ancient history. Supplanted by the HD-650 some years ago with those having been supplanted by Sennheiser's current reigning champion, the $1,400 HD-800.
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I know that, and I'm not going there. My dad want's the new Stax headphones though, someday.
I know that, and I'm not going there. My dad want's the new Stax headphones though, someday.
Ah, the 009's? Have a few friends with those. Never been terribly comfortable with electrostats though. It was probably the electroshock therapy scene from One Few Over The Cuckoo's Next that did it for me. 😀
And I've heard tell that a certain member here once caught his hair on fire from a set of homemade electrostats.
Don't think there's any risk of seizures or flaming hair with my Audez'e LCD-2's. 😀
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Although not that much of a cartridge connoisseur I would heartily agree.
I used V15s for years because of the great trackability, kindness to records, and natural tonal balance. I tried all sorts of other MMs and MCs (including lots of expensive and highly rated ones), but the V15s always sounded more like live music to me. Then the Technics MMs came along and I never looked back. Lower tip masses and inertia than any of the MCs, and higher dynamic range. When my last EPC100C mk4 stylus went to meet Jesus, I got a Linn Troika, but it was a clear step down. A Technics MC (courtesy of Planet 10) was its replacement, and probably about as good as the Troika.
Mirable dictu, a former reviewer for Stereophile had a mint Technics MM stashed away, had given up vinyl, and generously donated it to me a few months ago. Sometimes life works out well. 😀
And I've heard tell that a certain member here once caught his hair on fire from a set of homemade electrostats.
That would be Morgan Jones (EC8010), but he has considerably less hair than you.
Audeze was my favorite of the bunch, BUT it was 'forgiving' sonically.
Haven't found mine to be terribly "forgiving." I've had the HD-800's and while many consider them extremely "detailed," I thought they were rather overly so, at least in the mid to upper treble range. Sent them back to the friend who had loaned them to me.
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That would be Morgan Jones (EC8010), but he has considerably less hair than you.
Yes, that's who it would be alright. I was attempting to be a little discrete is all.
And obviously you haven't seen my hair since your last visit here. Unless Morgan has shorn his locks since this 2008 photo, I think he's actually got a bit more hair than I do. In terms of length of course. No male pattern baldness has set in with me yet.
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I used V15s for years because of the great trackability, kindness to records, and natural tonal balance. I tried all sorts of other MMs and MCs (including lots of expensive and highly rated ones), but the V15s always sounded more like live music to me. Then the Technics MMs came along and I never looked back. Lower tip masses and inertia than any of the MCs, and higher dynamic range. When my last EPC100C mk4 stylus went to meet Jesus, I got a Linn Troika, but it was a clear step down. A Technics MC (courtesy of Planet 10) was its replacement, and probably about as good as the Troika.
Mirable dictu, a former reviewer for Stereophile had a mint Technics MM stashed away, had given up vinyl, and generously donated it to me a few months ago. Sometimes life works out well. 😀
I had an AT14sa for years - also very good (now I am talking late 70's and 80's.)
Indeed they are. I'd like to see you try to haul 10 bales of hay in that silly Porsche. Care to make a bet on it?
I had an AT14sa for years - also very good (now I am talking late 70's and 80's.)
I've been trying their 150MLX, which is quite nice, but very picky about loading. Boron cantilever. Not quite at the level of the Technics (with a hollow boron pipe and 0.2mg tip mass), but punches well out of its price class.
And that is about all they are good for, SY.
You keep making statements that price = quality yet you never try anything without knowing the price tag. A house of cards, if one member of the "associates" slips up and prefers a $200 cart or can't tell the difference without peeking the whole thing falls down.
I was astonished with what the SAS stylus did to my Shure v15 mk IV. Still would like to dive into MC though.
John, exactly what cart are you using now?
John, exactly what cart are you using now?
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I think that it is a matter of ENGINEERING for the most part. Autos, telescopes, phono cartridges. You can get similar 'specs' at different price points, but not necessarily the same 'refinement' or resolution. If you can find true breakthroughs, that depart from this, please submit your findings for the rest of us to enjoy, as well.
The LAST thing for me, being partially employed, and semi-retired for the last 20 years or more, is to pay BIG BUCKS for anything, including audio equipment. My turntable, arm and cartridge are all USED. Headphones and main speakers too! I can't afford to pay new prices any more than most people, so I bought my Porsche used too. I could have purchased a cheap compact for about the same price, but then would I find that it really performed as well? I doubt it, in fact, I'm pretty sure of my opinion.
The LAST thing for me, being partially employed, and semi-retired for the last 20 years or more, is to pay BIG BUCKS for anything, including audio equipment. My turntable, arm and cartridge are all USED. Headphones and main speakers too! I can't afford to pay new prices any more than most people, so I bought my Porsche used too. I could have purchased a cheap compact for about the same price, but then would I find that it really performed as well? I doubt it, in fact, I'm pretty sure of my opinion.
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