If one eat, drinks and sleeps car accidents for 40 years I would think that person can remember details way better than the average citizen.
The overall 1/2 db amplitude level difference isn't very consequential when trying to remember things like overtones and separation.
You just saw the Mona Lisa. Are you going to remember or care if it was with 100 watts or 101 watts of light? No.
The overall 1/2 db amplitude level difference isn't very consequential when trying to remember things like overtones and separation.
You just saw the Mona Lisa. Are you going to remember or care if it was with 100 watts or 101 watts of light? No.
Maybe it was.
There was a pair built each way. Each unit matched it's mate. Changing out the electrolytics removed the difference. Others have built variants of the audio power amplifier and seem to find it an acceptable performer particularly as it is only five transistors with two used as current sources.
These days I would use more parts and expect better performance.
There was a pair built each way. Each unit matched it's mate. Changing out the electrolytics removed the difference. Others have built variants of the audio power amplifier and seem to find it an acceptable performer particularly as it is only five transistors with two used as current sources.
These days I would use more parts and expect better performance.
Doesn't answer my question, no postmortem, tear-down, analysis, no valid conclusions.
This is utterly hilarious, I'm sorry. You've really unhinged at this point.
<snip>And doubly enjoying music without worrying whether everything is tweaked to utter "perfection". There's a huge amount of value in appreciating what matters, and that, for the large part, ain't the electronics. Mindset, speakers and room are the big three.
Likewise, my modest system was described earlier (whoop-de-do) and one of the more ardent subjectivists tried to exclude me from the conversation because I didn't have nice enough stuff. That was worth a good laugh, too.
Don't know who dismissed your system.
But that's a lot like being in a video forum where people are discussing the subtleties of various 4k displays and you come in and say that your NTSC Sony Trinitron is all you need?
Hope you don't take offense, but that's more or less what you are saying.
Or, it's a high performance racing car forum and people are talking about small suspension tweaks, and you refer to your Lexus...
...the point of reference, AND experience both count.
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Meh, both JC and bear have told me my system is rubbish. Like I give a ****.
Again, if your point of reference is shall we say "limited" then the conversation that revolves around "angels dancing on a pin" seems ludicrous. Which is more or less what you keep saying.
Of course the "angels dancing..." discussion IS ludicrous.
See my post just before this for a good point of reference.
And remember, all those wines taste EXACTLY THE SAME if the % of alcohol and pH are the same, RIGHT??
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Never done the comparison. I suspect that under certain conditions capacitors can color the sound. I do use them when required.
In my 10 watt class a minimalist amplifier using 300 uF film capacitors across the rails does make a difference. Built some both ways and folks who didn't know thought the electrolytic version was broken. That did surprise me, but once you know what to listen for the difference shows up for most folks who got the demo.
Ka-ching!
Ed, pleased that you have reported this.
It would be neat to see if the sonic differences did show up in a "null test" or a straight up FFT, THD or IM.
Don't forget to do a null between two "good" units and two "bad" units to show the deviation.
But, folks who are skeptical, this is by no means a unique experience - at least not in this part of the globe. Happens all the time. And, yes, it would be useful to determine IF the differences can be discerned via our usual test methods.
It happens - with or without a test.
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Doesn't answer my question, no postmortem, tear-down, analysis, no valid conclusions.
All units bench tested for distortion after assembly. On 18&20k IMD all the same. Now as we rarely seem to communicate do humor me and let us see if we communicate on specifically what you would like to know.
18 & 20k IMD all the same.
Is that all? We're back at the "once everyone saw the difference it was always obvious" for the n'th time, but no measurement showed anything. Try harder, aren't you curious?
Is that all? We're back at the "once everyone saw the difference it was always obvious" for the n'th time, but no measurement showed anything. Try harder, aren't you curious?
No careful measurements showed a difference. But not unexpectedly it had nothing to do with steady state distortion. It had to do with the ESR, ESL and other properties of electrolytic capacitors. I have covered the differences before. Not at my office so I can't post pretty pictures.
When I hear differences I do try to measure what is causing the differences.
Actually need to buy some more test equipment to track down some interesting issues that have poked up their nasty fangs in my still incomplete power supply article!
It had to do with the ESR, ESL and other properties of electrolytic capacitors. I have covered the differences before.
So it was broken?
You just saw the Mona Lisa. Are you going to remember or care if it was with 100 watts or 101 watts of light? No.
No, I don't care. Zoom into the hair-challenged guy's ipod to see how many
rows were in front of him. Pearls before, no, I won't say that. I happened 2b1
of them.
regards, Gerhard
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Google Picasa gets worse and worse. Zooming seems not to work any more.
But I like my pic of Apollon doing a selfie.
Ah, nothing works as it used to.
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No, I don't care.
Me either, with the layers of assault weapon proof glass. OTOH you can touch the "Winged Victory" as you walk down/up the stairs. A great place to stop and contemplate weather we are coming or going.
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Sorry, I was there in the winter 1971. No stupid pyramid in front, not nearly so crowded then and it was free to get in.No, I don't care. Zoom into the hair-challenged guy's ipod to see how many
rows were in front of him. Pearls before, no, I won't say that. I happened 2b1
of them.
regards, Gerhard
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Google Picasa gets worse and worse. Zooming seems not to work any more.
But I like my pic of Apollon doing a selfie.
Ah, nothing works as it used to.
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So it was broken?
I assume that is your attempt at humor. The self resonance of capacitors is well known. What is not as well known is that axial electrolytics have lower self resonances than radials of the same capacitance.
I assume that is your attempt at humor. The self resonance of capacitors is well known. What is not as well known is that axial electrolytics have lower self resonances than radials of the same capacitance.
An engineers job is to know what is not well known.
So it was broken?
To some extent electrolytic caps are inherently "broken".
To some extent electrolytic caps are inherently "broken".
So that's your job, simple due diligence to know what works and what does not work or figure it out.
Eddy current Capacitors! In the 90's I remember seeing a schematic with large value electrolytic caps tied from plus rail to minus rail near an op amp. I asked an EE back then and he said "That is to cancel out eddy currents"
Can't find out much on the WWW.
Can anyone shed some light?
Can't find out much on the WWW.
Can anyone shed some light?
Sorry, I was there in the winter 1971. No stupid pyramid in front, not nearly so crowded then and it was free to get in.
But what was your time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9i771qYngY
All good fortune,
Chris
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