See what I mean everybody? Don't worry, IF AMES cannot do a useful measurement, nothing I can contribute will pass JN either.
JC said:
What's with the weird orthography? The NASA research center is named for Joseph Ames, and should be written "Ames Research Center", not "AMES". Or maybe JC meant these guys . Or maybe these guys, who at least do research on exotic materials? (That one is in Ames, Iowa.)
WHAT IS THE MEASUREMENT????
Who at Ames Research Center is responsible for this sham? (thanks nezbleu).
What are the test details?
What is the schematic?
Where is the writeup?
Who peer reviewed the results?
Why is it nobody is given enough information to duplicate or refute the test?
Why are you so afraid?
jn
This has been asked numerous times before. John has no idea, it was just something handed to him from his scam artist associate.
I made no such hint. I'm not aware that anyone else did. You will note that I said the only difference is money; I did not say integrity.john curl said:
May we 'deeply resent' your hint that amateur tests are somehow inferior to professional tests? Surely this could not be a hint about competence?
Why is it OK for you to insult us, but unacceptable when you feel (wrongly, in this case) that we are insulting you?
No matter who calls whom an amateur, the 'result' and 'proof' shown counts and is self-explanatory. No reason to label anyone, anyone can make his own conclusions from the current debate. For future, I do not expect any reliable evidence would be provided. It would only turn in same circles. This is not any scientific debate, the subject is not scientific.
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I think that many here should resent the implications that if we are not paid we are not competent to make an electronic test that is accurate. John, Scott and JN have shown you multiple times graciously that you have made an error in your test protocol. Does this make you an amateur in the rest of our eyes, no, but you are human and make mistakes like anybody else. The fact that I have Clio test gear and access to a complete B&K Audio lab, does this make me any less credible when I say something about a loudspeaker because I am not working for JBL or EV? I have done work for them by the way. I don't think so, as long as what I am doing is accurate and credible. You need to get off of your high horse and see that if you stay away from the minefield that is Bybee most people do respect your work in circuit design. I for one do, just not when you get all uppity and condescending with those who don't agree with something that you say. You just did that with JN, and I would have to think that in electronic design he is really on a different level than you are, that is not a putdown, just an observation of his level of expertise and education.
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My expertise is in magnetics, E/M, test and measurement, high speed/high current/high energy devices, and semiconductor handling w/r to power, current, heating, and slew rate. I have lots of experience actually building hardware both mundane and 10 to 15 years beyond SOTA.
But that said, I must respectfully disagree with you on my level of electronic circuit prowess with respect to JC, I too respect his abilities and accomplishments. I would however, like to see him advance his skills in that regard, and for him to be able to learn from others, as I try to do from him when possible.
jn
JC past testimonials:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...fier-measurement-analysis-98.html#post2382466
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...fier-measurement-analysis-98.html#post2382668
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...fier-measurement-analysis-99.html#post2383096
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-118.html#post2443294
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-118.html#post2443388
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-119.html#post2443478
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-122.html#post2444090
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-124.html#post2444402
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-133.html#post2448188
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-141.html#post2455255
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-142.html#post2455314
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-143.html#post2468389
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-144.html#post2468483
George
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...fier-measurement-analysis-98.html#post2382466
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...fier-measurement-analysis-98.html#post2382668
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...fier-measurement-analysis-99.html#post2383096
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-118.html#post2443294
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-118.html#post2443388
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-119.html#post2443478
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-122.html#post2444090
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-124.html#post2444402
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-133.html#post2448188
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-141.html#post2455255
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-142.html#post2455314
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-143.html#post2468389
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ever...ier-measurement-analysis-144.html#post2468483
George
JN,
I accept your position, at the same time I see a different level of professionalism when you help someone or critic a problem you see. I try and help others in other forums that have nothing to do with audio, areas of composites and plastics that I know well. I don't have to argue in those forums, we freely trade ideas back and forth. I still help others when it comes to loudspeakers and waveguide design an area that I have been working in for over 30 years. No my name is not out there but I really don't care about that. I have known the John Curl name for long before I ever came to this forum and heard only good things about his designs. that is why it is hard to watch some of the goings on here, it is beneath him to have to resort to that.
ps. I still don't believe that the Bybee's have a chance in H..l of working as stated in their literature.
I accept your position, at the same time I see a different level of professionalism when you help someone or critic a problem you see. I try and help others in other forums that have nothing to do with audio, areas of composites and plastics that I know well. I don't have to argue in those forums, we freely trade ideas back and forth. I still help others when it comes to loudspeakers and waveguide design an area that I have been working in for over 30 years. No my name is not out there but I really don't care about that. I have known the John Curl name for long before I ever came to this forum and heard only good things about his designs. that is why it is hard to watch some of the goings on here, it is beneath him to have to resort to that.
ps. I still don't believe that the Bybee's have a chance in H..l of working as stated in their literature.
and another thread descends into Bybeeism...
All o/t surely Mods - what bearing has any of this on Blowtorch?
All o/t surely Mods - what bearing has any of this on Blowtorch?
I went through the former messages that were put up, and I found one problem: Was it a BMI 4800, or a BMI 8800? I will have to search old records to find out.
Really?!? In my opinion at least the last 10 to 20 pages of useless bickering should be deleted. I think we should add Bybee to the list of forbidden topics, next to religion and politics.
as long as there is money to be made, who cares? 😀
a lot of suckers out there who are willing and happy to pay....
a lot of suckers out there who are willing and happy to pay....
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