Hi friends. Will like help from the knowledge and experience of this forum. I was testing the dedicated battery to the power amps of my marine music system. Removed the hot 12v wire to test the battery voltage (13.7dcv) and upon reconnection (the system was on), the JL amp started smoking immediately. It took me several seconds to disconnect the hot wire. the other(Kicker) amp was ok during this event, but the JL mono amp burnt.
Opened the case and found 6 of the 8 Power supply FETS burnt. The other 2 at the end of the board don't look burnt but have not tested them.
I already ordered 8 IRF3205 FETS, and 8-10 ohms resistors (color Brown, black, black, gold). Also ordered the PWM UC3525ADW. My question is: the vertical board that drive the FETS, also have 2 additional CHIPS LM311 and LM358. Will these chips need to be replace? What is the purpose of these other chips.
Thank you for your help.
Darrel
Opened the case and found 6 of the 8 Power supply FETS burnt. The other 2 at the end of the board don't look burnt but have not tested them.
I already ordered 8 IRF3205 FETS, and 8-10 ohms resistors (color Brown, black, black, gold). Also ordered the PWM UC3525ADW. My question is: the vertical board that drive the FETS, also have 2 additional CHIPS LM311 and LM358. Will these chips need to be replace? What is the purpose of these other chips.
Thank you for your help.
Darrel
This appears to be the same as the 500/1. If it is, it's VERY rare that anything on the driver board is damaged. If it has the drivers (Q608-Q611) in front of the PS FETs, they sometimes fail. When they have been stressed, they generally have overheated solder that's obvious.
It's common for the output FETs to fail, causing the power supply to fail. Check the outputs before powering up the amp after replacing the PS FETs.
It's common for the output FETs to fail, causing the power supply to fail. Check the outputs before powering up the amp after replacing the PS FETs.
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Thank you Perry. There are 4 output FETS, 6413 ang. Can I test them in place in the diode mode? Q608 to q611 look okay phisically. Please reply, thank you again!
Are you sure that's the part number on the outputs? They generally use the IRF540 but may have changed to something else.
You can test them in diode-check mode.
You can test them in diode-check mode.
Thank you, I will try to attach an image of Q504-507. So test can be done with FET mounted in the circuit board!
Thank you again. Darrel
Thank you again. Darrel
NTP6413ANG is the part number. It's obsolete. If they're defective, there are others that should work.
You can check the FETs in the circuit. If they're shorted, that's easy to see with them in the circuit. If they're leaky (less common failure), they may have to be removed to see the leakage. If they're not shorted, they're likely OK.
You can check the FETs in the circuit. If they're shorted, that's easy to see with them in the circuit. If they're leaky (less common failure), they may have to be removed to see the leakage. If they're not shorted, they're likely OK.
Thank you. Yes 2 of them are shorted, I ordered a suggested replacement STP60NF10. Anything else you may think that blew out related to the output FETs.
Thank you again.
Darrel
Thank you again.
Darrel
In the future, ask before ordering any substitute output transistors for a class D amp. This amp isn't as finicky as some but for some class D amps, substitutes that should work will not and the amp will not be reliable.
The nearby driver transistors, the SMD resistors and the driver IC (U500) sometimes fail.
There are a lot of threads for the 500/1 on the forum. Do a search for that amp and read through some of the threads.
The nearby driver transistors, the SMD resistors and the driver IC (U500) sometimes fail.
There are a lot of threads for the 500/1 on the forum. Do a search for that amp and read through some of the threads.
Thank you Perry. I've seen some 500/1 amplifier with different components as the 600/1 v3. So in this case, where can I get information of a suitable replacement for this NTP6413ANG? Any assistance will be appreciated.
Darrel
Darrel
Try the ones you ordered. They may work. The 540s were reliable. I used the IRF3415 plenty of times as well as the IRF3710Z.
Thank you, 1 of the 47 ohms surface mount resistance changed in color. How do I test the U500? Or is it better to replace it? Thank you again!
Darrel
Darrel
With the output FETs out of the board, connect two jumpers as shown below. Apply remote and after a couple of seconds, remove remote voltage and check the signal on pad 1 for all 4 of the outputs. There should be a square wave for about 10 seconds after removing remote voltage.
The power supply FETs don't have to be in the circuit.
Set the scope to 5v/div, DC coupling and 5us/div. Align the trace to the reference line before checking the waveforms.
The power supply FETs don't have to be in the circuit.
Set the scope to 5v/div, DC coupling and 5us/div. Align the trace to the reference line before checking the waveforms.
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Thank you, when you say output, you are talking about the gate for each FET?
Thank you, I will try this tonight.
Darrel
Thank you, I will try this tonight.
Darrel
Well I read several times the section on the oscilloscope at your website. This is not exactly my terminology. I have a Hitachi V-252 with a slanted display. I think it fell off. Q504(pad 1)- 14v, Q505- 0v then at the end 4v, Q506- 28v, Q507- 0v. I never saw a square wave. I think that was either my set-up or the instrument.
If you notice any huge mistake in what I'm doing, please let me know. Where should I attach the alligator clip?
Thank you again.
Darrel
If you notice any huge mistake in what I'm doing, please let me know. Where should I attach the alligator clip?
Thank you again.
Darrel
There is a trace rotate adjustment on the scope. Find it and set the trace straight. Magnets will also cause it to rotate/shift.
Thank you Perry. Would you say the Chip at the U500 is bad? Why do I have this different readings from each pad? Could it be the driver transistors? What is the driver voltage at the gate of each transistor? Do they run in parallel for each channel?
I will try to get readings with some attached images to check on this chip.
Thank you
Darrel
I will try to get readings with some attached images to check on this chip.
Thank you
Darrel
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