Hi everybody,
Me and a friend are to build the Iwata's, but for the TAD 4003 driver, which is quite different to the 4001 in throat-size.
I downloaded the old drawings from this site and -angle and was worried about, if TAD had gone different ways in terms of the angle. I used Illustrator to make the following drawing (4003 overlaid by 4001) to show, that it should be in terms of the laws to make a adapter.
The "start" of the Iwata-horn lies perfect in the middle of the diapraghm.
Later this evening I will post the drawings of the vertical and horisontal curves in pdf.-format 1:1 that only needs printing for cutting out forms.
I will get back with the link if anyone are interested.
Regards and thanks for a brilliant forum.
Peter
Me and a friend are to build the Iwata's, but for the TAD 4003 driver, which is quite different to the 4001 in throat-size.
I downloaded the old drawings from this site and -angle and was worried about, if TAD had gone different ways in terms of the angle. I used Illustrator to make the following drawing (4003 overlaid by 4001) to show, that it should be in terms of the laws to make a adapter.
The "start" of the Iwata-horn lies perfect in the middle of the diapraghm.
Later this evening I will post the drawings of the vertical and horisontal curves in pdf.-format 1:1 that only needs printing for cutting out forms.
I will get back with the link if anyone are interested.
Regards and thanks for a brilliant forum.
Peter
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pdf-files for printing 100% (they are measurably perfect) can be found here:
http://hdmag.dk/bund.pdf
http://hddmag/side.pdf
Regards
Peter
http://hdmag.dk/bund.pdf
http://hddmag/side.pdf
Regards
Peter
Sorry - the last link - http://hdmag.dk/hdmag/side.dk
New to this forum, I am not certain if this is the relevant place for this thread - otherwise I indulge moderators to move it!
New to this forum, I am not certain if this is the relevant place for this thread - otherwise I indulge moderators to move it!
As to the drawing: They are both equal in size and I have aligned the diapraghms. Look carefully at the phase-plugs! On the 4003 they are prolonged at the tip and the cavity in front are very different to the more round ditto on the 4001. Presumedly for better HF.
The angle are steeper than the 4001, but due to the shorter hornlengt in the 4004 it should not a probem to make a near-perfect adapter.
If anyone has inputs, please.
Regards
Peter
The angle are steeper than the 4001, but due to the shorter hornlengt in the 4004 it should not a probem to make a near-perfect adapter.
If anyone has inputs, please.
Regards
Peter
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Opening angle of TAD TD-4003
Hi Peter.
I cheked my 4003 and indeed the opening angle is a couple of degrees less than the JBL standard 1.5-2.0 inch adapter that I use. But the difference is so small that I wont worry about that.
Why have you chosen the IWATA profile?
Why not make a horn that has been optimised to the 4003?
Like this one:
http://www.artec-france.com/etudes.php?lang=fr&system=reference&item=pavillon
I want to make it in wood, something like this one:
http://www2.117.ne.jp/~y-s/F280A-e.html
If you are interested, lets join forces, I stay in Lyngby.
Regards
Erik
Hi Peter.
I cheked my 4003 and indeed the opening angle is a couple of degrees less than the JBL standard 1.5-2.0 inch adapter that I use. But the difference is so small that I wont worry about that.
Why have you chosen the IWATA profile?
Why not make a horn that has been optimised to the 4003?
Like this one:
http://www.artec-france.com/etudes.php?lang=fr&system=reference&item=pavillon
I want to make it in wood, something like this one:
http://www2.117.ne.jp/~y-s/F280A-e.html
If you are interested, lets join forces, I stay in Lyngby.
Regards
Erik
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Hi Erik, allready heard from Søren/Robert that you would maybe participate - great!
We go for the old, original Iwata and the 950 we allready got from Radian. I know about the Polish Iwata, but don't want to go the "plastic-way". I still think that wood has a certain role in dampening and strength. And the design has proven it's worth, so why tinker with a gem. The process of turning the horns is a tremendous job itself. A follow up will maybe be the Brush Wellman's. I have had several conversations with Mr. Yamamoto that concludes that fin's like found in the venerable TAD-horn is good for spreading but bad for the sonic's
And, great hearing from you again.
Regards
Peter
We go for the old, original Iwata and the 950 we allready got from Radian. I know about the Polish Iwata, but don't want to go the "plastic-way". I still think that wood has a certain role in dampening and strength. And the design has proven it's worth, so why tinker with a gem. The process of turning the horns is a tremendous job itself. A follow up will maybe be the Brush Wellman's. I have had several conversations with Mr. Yamamoto that concludes that fin's like found in the venerable TAD-horn is good for spreading but bad for the sonic's
And, great hearing from you again.
Regards
Peter
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Peter. Please read this thread about images.http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/everything-else/183084-pictures-why-not-attach-them.html
I have reduced the file size of your image and attached it.
Best of luck on the project, the Iwata horn is a great one.
Thx. Pano! Fumble-fingers just need some pro adjustments..
And yes, wee'l see what the efford makes out sound-wise.
Regards
Peter
And yes, wee'l see what the efford makes out sound-wise.
Regards
Peter
Is this project still ongoing? Has any progress been made?
I am using TH-4001 clones on my TD-4003 drivers and would like to try something else. I would be interested to see how you tackle such a challenge.
Alois
I am using TH-4001 clones on my TD-4003 drivers and would like to try something else. I would be interested to see how you tackle such a challenge.
Alois
Hi Alois,
We have decided to use the Radian 950. The Iwata horns will be CNC'ed around september where we will try different adapters to cope with the Radian drivers very short and 20 degree angled throat. I'll be back when we get there.
Regards
Peter
Hi Sannax,
The two 1:1 files can be downloaded here:
www.peterdupont.dk/Iwata_bottom.pdf
www.peterdupont.dk/Iwata_side.pdf
We are still working on the lathe for routing the Iwata top/bottoms - but there has been a lot of annoying inbetween stuff which has slowed things down.
To be certain we have everything in order before we start up with expensive wood we have experimented with the much easier TAD.
I'll get back when we get further.
Regards
Peter
The two 1:1 files can be downloaded here:
www.peterdupont.dk/Iwata_bottom.pdf
www.peterdupont.dk/Iwata_side.pdf
We are still working on the lathe for routing the Iwata top/bottoms - but there has been a lot of annoying inbetween stuff which has slowed things down.
To be certain we have everything in order before we start up with expensive wood we have experimented with the much easier TAD.
I'll get back when we get further.
Regards
Peter
I think that the drawings came from an article in the french Revue du Son. If anyone has other maybe more precise drawings, please come forward.
Regards
Peter
Regards
Peter
HI ALL
I am new from here and new for building my own speaker..too
I am from Asia, Hong Kong China, I want to build something based on the 4003 too, the drawing seem wonderful , is it for 4001 or 4003?
What kind of wood is best for this? is it too much if..i go for soem tone wood for piano or Viola..or making Guitar? I have vendor for CNC..or ..other way to make it nicely..
I am new from here and new for building my own speaker..too
I am from Asia, Hong Kong China, I want to build something based on the 4003 too, the drawing seem wonderful , is it for 4001 or 4003?
What kind of wood is best for this? is it too much if..i go for soem tone wood for piano or Viola..or making Guitar? I have vendor for CNC..or ..other way to make it nicely..