How long, O Catiline, will you abuse our patience? And for how long will that madness of yours mock us? To what end will your unbridled audacity hurl itself?
I guess you've been brushing up on your Cicero.
If you want to help someone, it must be no other motivation than helping. If it has, then do business 😀
What problem/
the thing i see more often than not, is that people ask the wrong question.
so you can expend a lot of energy answering the OP's query when that's not necessary.
then again , How much is free advice worth?
the thing i see more often than not, is that people ask the wrong question.
so you can expend a lot of energy answering the OP's query when that's not necessary.
then again , How much is free advice worth?
The thread's title, and the post above require attention.
I cannot extrapolate anything without knowing the exact source from why the question was asked.
...Which two threads exactly, and which messages exactly were ignored.
For me this is simple logic.
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I like that one..🙂
Its a bit like a charitable donation...do you want to give or be known that you give..
Regards
M. Gregg
Maybe if you change your avatar, bald people don't have that much credibility...😀
On a serious note, when you say something you must be prepared to be ignored, misinterpreted, refuted....and sometimes deleted. 😀 I was trying to be serious but I can't....let's try again.
People are lazy and to post a 'thanks' sometimes it is too much effort. If you expect a reply to any post you write, well...you are just expecting too much. Things stay, Time will sort out good ideas from bad ones. Let's hope so.
On a serious note, when you say something you must be prepared to be ignored, misinterpreted, refuted....and sometimes deleted. 😀 I was trying to be serious but I can't....let's try again.
People are lazy and to post a 'thanks' sometimes it is too much effort. If you expect a reply to any post you write, well...you are just expecting too much. Things stay, Time will sort out good ideas from bad ones. Let's hope so.
My own measure of success is the amount of irritation my posts are creating among the subjective audio team members. The more vocal and aggressive they respond, the bigger my satisfaction for successfully debunking some of the myths and fetishes, carefully cultivated over the years by way to many shameless sales and marketing "high end audio" people.
It is sad to see how some new(er) commercial audio experts wannabes are sometimes making use of the same tactics of dressing the (more or less ugly) truth in subjective crapola. And even sadder when otherwise obviously competent engineers are making up (or distorting) facts, only to support what the potential customers want to hear regarding the "sound quality", suggesting they have a technology/engineering "secret sauce" for creating a successful audio product. They all realize that unfortunately the audio subjective crapola sells, good (audio) engineering doesn't.
And some are still wondering why the "high end audio" industry is dying 😛.
It is sad to see how some new(er) commercial audio experts wannabes are sometimes making use of the same tactics of dressing the (more or less ugly) truth in subjective crapola. And even sadder when otherwise obviously competent engineers are making up (or distorting) facts, only to support what the potential customers want to hear regarding the "sound quality", suggesting they have a technology/engineering "secret sauce" for creating a successful audio product. They all realize that unfortunately the audio subjective crapola sells, good (audio) engineering doesn't.
And some are still wondering why the "high end audio" industry is dying 😛.
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Someone with an easily bruised ego is not a student, even if he believes himself to be a learner. A genuine student is accustomed to having his ego routinely 'bruised', as he will frequently hear/read things which he does not yet understand yet lots of other people do understand. Of course, a good teacher will not belittle his students (unless they are lazy) but he will often need to tell them that their ideas are wrong.aspringv said:
A frequent problem is that the questioner does not have enough (or sufficiently correct) background knowledge to understand/accept the correct answer. Even when he has, it is reasonably certain that someone else will not and will blunder in and share his misconceptions. Then you have to decide whether to have an argument or just leave the right answer on the table for those who are wise enough to recognise it.
How about this... I wanna learn about electronics , if you wanna be my mentor I'll soak it all up and not bit*h about anything. I do ask a lot of questions though. .... mull it over🙂
Nigel,
I would not worry about it too much. I can understand your feeling. Knowing that you are offering good information and yet no one seemed to acknowledge it. My interpretation is that the OP probably does not understand your answer because of insufficient background knowledge and does not know how to response and therefore remain silent. I do agree that the OP should at least acknowledge when someone responded, regardless whether the information offered is "useful" or not. It is just common courtesy.
Someone suggested that this "phenomenon" is related to one's ego and I disagree. Basically, when someone ask a question, that person admits that he/she does not know the subject well enough and is asking for help. As such, ego is not an issue.
Then there is the other side of the coin:
Once in a while, I saw responses that come from a more knowledgeable forum member (you can guess who that is) to the OP's question were unnecessarily "rude". The response usually starts with "did you read the basic book of electronics, or did you read the whole 10,000 posts in this thread, or did you know what you are talking about". Basically, you feel like you are in grade two and is being scolded by your teacher for not understanding the subject and you are not welcome. Then he will start making sarcastic comments that people are too lazy, if they really want to learn they should have dug out the info instead of asking questions. C'mon, someone ask a question because he/she does not understand. If you think you have the information/answer, and you feel like helping out, just give out the info. If you think the person is not worth your time, just ignore it and walk away. We are all adults here and no one likes to be treated as such.
The main goals of the DIY forum (my view, correct me if I am wrong)are to make it a place to exchange knowledge and experience, and to help people with less knowledgeable but would like to pick up this hobby. I think these objectives are largely fulfilled. I am thankful to the people that have helped me out and I will pass on the favour.
Regards,
I would not worry about it too much. I can understand your feeling. Knowing that you are offering good information and yet no one seemed to acknowledge it. My interpretation is that the OP probably does not understand your answer because of insufficient background knowledge and does not know how to response and therefore remain silent. I do agree that the OP should at least acknowledge when someone responded, regardless whether the information offered is "useful" or not. It is just common courtesy.
Someone suggested that this "phenomenon" is related to one's ego and I disagree. Basically, when someone ask a question, that person admits that he/she does not know the subject well enough and is asking for help. As such, ego is not an issue.
Then there is the other side of the coin:
Once in a while, I saw responses that come from a more knowledgeable forum member (you can guess who that is) to the OP's question were unnecessarily "rude". The response usually starts with "did you read the basic book of electronics, or did you read the whole 10,000 posts in this thread, or did you know what you are talking about". Basically, you feel like you are in grade two and is being scolded by your teacher for not understanding the subject and you are not welcome. Then he will start making sarcastic comments that people are too lazy, if they really want to learn they should have dug out the info instead of asking questions. C'mon, someone ask a question because he/she does not understand. If you think you have the information/answer, and you feel like helping out, just give out the info. If you think the person is not worth your time, just ignore it and walk away. We are all adults here and no one likes to be treated as such.
The main goals of the DIY forum (my view, correct me if I am wrong)are to make it a place to exchange knowledge and experience, and to help people with less knowledgeable but would like to pick up this hobby. I think these objectives are largely fulfilled. I am thankful to the people that have helped me out and I will pass on the favour.
Regards,
So what do you want. You're human, and so they are. You want an advice or just want to complain?
This is free trade zone. Competition is so fierce. You need to understand "positioning" or "differentiation" to survive.
When I want to improve my knowledge in LTSpice, I look for "jcx" not "nigelsomething". When I want to find some wisdoms I subscribed to "blowtorch" thread or to "beyond the ariel" thread. When I want to find amplifier design recipes, I find someone else not you. So where is your positioning here? 😀
I took more than I gave here. Sometimes I just search for questions with zero replies so I can give what I take from others. I don't need "thanks" as I know I know better, even if they don't recognize the value of my answers.
I also post information that will make me look like a fool, but I don't care because I know I'm not, and I believe there could be anyone out there who will learn from my post (not necessarily the one I'm responding to).
Seriously, against the new members, they don't know you, and they can be stupid. They may not be able to value your opinion/answers properly and you should be prepared for that. Against the old and knowledgeable members, don't complain, it works the way it should.
And Cassiel was right about your avatar. Did you pay proper attention to his advice? May be not, because you don't know, right? So nothing is serious here
Whichever motivation an individual has to attend a forum, it's by far for personal reasons.
Helping others to cheat? Many of you are acting like scientists but from the "gestures" (mentality) are nothing but the opposite.
Many are talking only without any proof of good intention to find the truth. Only trying to show that I'm right you are wrong.
From the beginning I tried to stand in front of many others who believe in audibility of things, and I'm ready to proof what I said, for the sake of showing the truth (not for the sake of I'm right). Others just criticize how that was a failed effort, nonsense, full of possibility for cheating, bla bla bla.
Now when/after I found out the "flaw", suddenly everyone behave like politicians and comedians (instead of scientists/engineers).
What I had in mind after I found the feature in Foobar that will invalidate the test was a shock, disappointment, that my effort was useless (I spent a lot of time, risking my day job) and I instinctively thought the test should be disqualified (and improved). I failed to recognize that it was a GAME, entertainment for others.
IF you are interested in the audibility of things, test me. If I failed, who else will succeed? But I failed to notice that many are not true scientist/engineers, but NOW I know, and I was SORRY for my mistake.
So I said sorry and no mercy for me? I made mistake so I didn't want to response to girly comments about my mistake. Different topic, I will respond.
Here is the Foobar feature:
Attachments
If you sent this to us in a private e-mail before the tests were closed, everything would be OK. I hope you are not playing a game of not understanding the rules. Also, it was possible to describe this in a PM, though PM does not allow attachments. Instead, you posted it immediately to two different test threads, without any consultation with authors of threads.
This forum has no age limit so it cannot be assumed that all are adults here. It is not easy to guess a person's age from their posts, as some youngsters are very mature while some legal adults have yet to grow up.Lo_Tse said:
Such people are always welcome. The problem comes from people who are less knowledgeable but intend to share their misconceptions with others. They don't want to "pick up this hobby"; they believe they already have or that it is not necessary.
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