Im simply asking if you ever confirm what you hear by doing any measurements.
Im sure "more realistic" will have some difference shown in some measurements.
If you have no concerns over confirming by using measurements then why even bother in a thread like this? Its a question I always ask in all these threads and never get a good answer.
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Why are you guys always so adverse to measurement requests?
If we are having a cable discussion in a DIY forum then measurements come with the discussion. It makes zero sense to discuss anything in this forum without some data to back up any subjective opinion.
I read posts in this threads that always just say "I hear a difference" and the OP seems to believe that opinion can stand on its own. Very strange when you consider the forum we are in.
Im sure we will to the song and dance routine here again, you will twist it some how avoiding the simple answers of why you do not measure but Im hoping at some point the banter stops and serious data is produced.
Don't worry I think my reply was deleted. I posted that I have zero real life issues (I have a very fortunate life) and I just like debating this topic. People intrigue me with their very subjective nature.
Non sequitur. Since coarse FR and distortion usually reveal nothing prosaic within known limits of audibility (or are some times discounted when they do), it suggests if anything is happening different measurements are required. Care to provide guidance how you would measure interconnects in use without affecting loading, ground system structure, RF, etc.? Please explain.
'You guys?' I'm probably the only one who has posted them, as well as Spice sims. Miss them? And no, I'm not searching them out for you.
Lets just be clear about this....if you hear a difference then that difference will show up in a measurement. You just have to figure out what measurement that is but the difference will be there.
There is no way around this since all sound differences are reflected in measurements.
To disagree with this is just complete ignorance about measurement capabilities and obviously its impossible to discuss anything without this understand this simple idea.
omission...my goodness
Oh, gee... my bad of course... I didn't include the infamous "op amps" so heatedly discussed...😛😉🙄... after all, they are "differential" by nature (whatever) mindless drivel
Don't worry about some of the terminology... certain posters constantly whine, grouse, denigrate and attempt to demean others' posts simply to feel superior I guess... especially regarding the audibility of "cables" of all things...never offering any rationale for their position... as in "show us the money"...
John L.
Oh, gee... my bad of course... I didn't include the infamous "op amps" so heatedly discussed...😛😉🙄... after all, they are "differential" by nature (whatever) mindless drivel
Don't worry about some of the terminology... certain posters constantly whine, grouse, denigrate and attempt to demean others' posts simply to feel superior I guess... especially regarding the audibility of "cables" of all things...never offering any rationale for their position... as in "show us the money"...
John L.
Straw man, no one said anything about 'complete ignorance'. You in fact, by discounting the possibility of any unknowns, appear to be implying the opposite; complete knowledge.
Sorry, let me clarify it for you. By 'differential' I meant the change makes a difference, and it's the difference which is perceptible. So claiming a potentially colouring device ahead of another necessarily obscures the latter (or each other) is trivially nonsense.
To save you further effort, I've been building studios commercially for 30 years and have an engineering degree. I understand differential in the electronic sense.
Carry on.
The first is called investigation, the second value judgment. Can't argue the latter but it has zero relevance to whether an effect exists.
How are you supposed to know where to fix without knowing the cable and the interfacing electronics? What does this have to do with perception? You are just reading a small part of experimenting. The goal is to select the most cost effective cable for a specific configuration. The ear is only one of the tools you know.😉
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Oh, you should - would have saved you at least a Grand!
And for the record, I upgraded. The old receiver would not do HDMI, so no 7.1 off of Blue Ray. New Pioneer has HDMI. Sounds as good as ... well everything else that inaudible.
Classic George - simply classic. If it weren't for "perception" there would be nothing to "fix".
It's called, presuming it exists, 'unknown'. What kind of 'rebuttal' was that? I'm still waiting on your recommended measurement technique. You obviously have a lot to say on technical matters, you must have something in mind.
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