Thanks Rob, at least you looked for problems. Most don't.
Jlsem, I find that only classical musicians can resolve any detail from a classic performance from a table model radio equivalent of a hi fi system. The rest of us only hear a facsimile of a performance over a table model radio like speaker.
Jlsem, I find that only classical musicians can resolve any detail from a classic performance from a table model radio equivalent of a hi fi system. The rest of us only hear a facsimile of a performance over a table model radio like speaker.
Busted. You claimed warmth was distortion. It would take distortion components in the tens of percent to make a significant level difference. Pointing out flaws in reasoning isn't being argumentative.
SY, I agree in principle, though think quad surround is the wrong way to go.
Oh, totally missed that question, lol. There's no obvious howling but I won't dispute I could of done the bracing a lot better. You'll never hear me claim to be a pro-DIYer, I'm awful at woodworking which was my greatest limitation in building them. If you noticed the baffles are also not mirrored and the bottom port is being covered until I pick up the feet I need to get them high enough off the ground and not look terrible. I actually like the way the sound, even with out the room treatment there isn't a huge amount of variation post 200hz. This was my first DIY speaker adventure, I had no illusions about perfection. I was happy they didn't burst into flames, but even more so I was shocked at how little I screwed up (I didn't set the bar that high). They actually look really good and I'm happy with their sound. It was a good starting point and I'm really looking foreword to my next pair where I have the knowledge to give it a good shot.
Thinking more about the live vs recorded discussion.
is it possible to capture 10 seconds of the live performance vs 10 seconds of the record performance and compare the measurements?
is it possible to capture 10 seconds of the live performance vs 10 seconds of the record performance and compare the measurements?
Following instructions is extremely easy that is why I love DIY speakers. We can build incredible sounding speakers at a fraction of the price we would have to pay for something similar.
Your next build should be your own passive design...Im on my first set of those. I have done kits and Active XOs for several years.
I don't know where to start with this one. That would be fine if you were only talking about signal level. The environment the sound is being reproduced in has a much greater impact on the locality of bass and the diffuse nature of the field than even the best recording. Even if you were to record bass across every channel, if you have a high degree of directionality caused by poor speaker placement or improper dampening of early reflections you'll get locality at almost any frequency. I really don't understand how you'd claim this has anything to do with the recording process, it's no where near as influential as the acoustics.
You're right, it's much less accurate and prone to malfunction. I would also note that a skate board is different then a motorcycle, but you can still get to your destination. Again, simply because you don't no how to measure or read the results doesn't mean that it cannot be analyzed.
It doesn't matter if you consider it a bass note. It has enough of the characteristics that in a sufficiently diffuse environment you'll have difficulty telling the origin of the source.
Too many posts, can't type fast enough, lol.
It might be more productive to start with something very simple, without the additional payload of hall, space, and placement variables. Are we at the point of properly and convincingly reproducing the sound of a solo speaking voice?
Easily dismissed. I invite anyone who thinks otherwise to download a wave generator like sinegen, dial up 500 Hz and listen.
It isn't a flaw in reasoning, it's nitpicking about semantics. This is exactly why I said you have to define the terminology, every other moron has a different idea of what a word like warmth represents. By definition anything that alters the original form of the music is distortion so it's a pretty broad reaching definition, but I want to specifically hear your idea of what warmth and distortion represent in a speaker system.
It's there for ALL of us. Stereophony is one of the greatest tricks played on our perception apparatus. Two speakers and we think there actually is a 'soundstage'. Hah! 😉
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Kareface, you should consider measuring your cabinets, sometime. You may be happy with your project, but you have no objective framework to put it, unless you at least do the measurements that we attended to 35 years ago. This is the problem with 'measurement' there is nothing wrong with it, but it is incomplete, and it appears that the human ear can either 'forgive' or get used to aberrations in musical reproduction, in your case due to 'Beranek's Law of Speaker Design' or it can ferret out differences that measurements seem to miss. That is what 'subjectivists' do.
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The difference between distortion and frequency response is semantics? Now that's engaging in semantics.
Well it's OT in a cable thread, but at this point, who cares?
I did do some bass location testing in my room/my speakers. Below about 70Hz (iirc) it became difficult. Above that, no problem. But that was with filtered pink noise. Location of a pure tone was much harder.
It's in a thread somewhere. A few months back.
I still ask what do measurements miss? We all know ears are not remotely accurate in building a speaker. They are only the final subjective "Yes, it sounds good" but the ears and brain can not actually create an accurate speaker. They have know idea about acoustical centers, they have not idea about phase issues or where the specific peak is. They are just inaccurate tools in building a speaker.
Ears are left to be use to just enjoy music and have zero skills when it comes to audio science.
So enlighten me on how you consider the ears to be more accurate then measurements and what is heard that is not measureable.
hah, true but I never consider trying to remotely fool myself into think its a live event. I left the fairytale close your eyes and believe stuff to my 3 year old, she has an incredible imagination. If I want live, I go experience live (I actually hate live recordings, I like studio recordings). I do not falsely complain on a forum that science is a step behind in not recreating it 😉
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No response to the "flaws in reasoning" you your reply? Is someone who doesn't seem to understand bass fields really trying to lecture someone else about locality?
Harmonic distortion is a form of distortion last I checked? Once again you ignored the rest of the post. I'll ask once again for you to define warmth and distortion and explain to me how they are mutually exclusive.
Why are we beating the semantics of "warmth" to death.
Warm can be described by an alteration of the response curve which is really just the "distortion" of the response curve from an accurate flat line.
Warm can be described by an alteration of the response curve which is really just the "distortion" of the response curve from an accurate flat line.
I'm confused, what part of my reply suggest a) that I never measured my speakers and b) that I thought anything of them besides being happy that they didn't sound terrible? Stop trying to obfuscate, my speakers or lack there of have nothing to do with the fact a false belief it still indistinguishable from magic.
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