I have made my mind up as far as your comments ,about how and what to listen, are concerned.
we have already established that you do not have the faintest grasp of the issues here curly...so no need to continually confirm that you know.
Says who??? Curly the golden ear? Seriously, how can you justify that statement? I mean that. Give me the reasons YOU 'know' that we still need to quantify many aspects of sound.
Or is it just another 'what curly believes' without any foundation whatsoever.
You will not even test what science already tells us, and here you are saying we have more things to learn?!! **** you are arrogant. At least get off your **** and TEST what we have been talking about, THEN come back with a list of the things science still needs to learn will ya?
(a*rse is a bad word?? really??)
Yep, I think you just may have managed to convince me.
So I was right. They DO cut that lady in half and put her back together again. Ha, and all my mates tried to tell me it was a trick, but I told them (the fools that they are) that 'look guys, you gotta trust what your eyes and brains tell you. It is really an awakening experience'
Look curly, I only used level differences as an example that is probably not really that applicable to cables, simply to show you an example of these many factors that are known to influence our perceptions. Start learning.
Doomlord, please make the long posts as often as you like.
C'mon Panikos, you're one of the good guys. You get 'upset' when *we* talk about expensive cables, you state your irritation whenever that comes up (as it is a caricature I guess??)
Don't tell us about a 20 years old 100db sesitivity disco speaker driven by a 250w/ch questionable amp fed by a questionable dvd player and used off e-bay crappy wires.
Are you not guilty of the same here?? You're better than that.
Says who??? Curly the golden ear? Seriously, how can you justify that statement? I mean that. Give me the reasons YOU 'know' that we still need to quantify many aspects of sound.
Or is it just another 'what curly believes' without any foundation whatsoever.
You will not even test what science already tells us, and here you are saying we have more things to learn?!! **** you are arrogant. At least get off your **** and TEST what we have been talking about, THEN come back with a list of the things science still needs to learn will ya?
(a*rse is a bad word?? really??)
Maybe THIS is it?? Ahh, the old perversion of the truth. Nope, none of us think that science has stopped learning.......
Yep, I think you just may have managed to convince me.
So I was right. They DO cut that lady in half and put her back together again. Ha, and all my mates tried to tell me it was a trick, but I told them (the fools that they are) that 'look guys, you gotta trust what your eyes and brains tell you. It is really an awakening experience'
Look curly, I only used level differences as an example that is probably not really that applicable to cables, simply to show you an example of these many factors that are known to influence our perceptions. Start learning.
Doomlord, please make the long posts as often as you like.
C'mon Panikos, you're one of the good guys. You get 'upset' when *we* talk about expensive cables, you state your irritation whenever that comes up (as it is a caricature I guess??)
Don't tell us about a 20 years old 100db sesitivity disco speaker driven by a 250w/ch questionable amp fed by a questionable dvd player and used off e-bay crappy wires.
Are you not guilty of the same here?? You're better than that.
And HTF would YOU know?? Show us the methods (details please) that disproved what we have been telling you, or is it another curlysays.
You are a JAIB thru and thru.
LOL! I have already stated how I listen. How do you determine the worth of anything audio related, other than what a book tells you you should hear 😀
we have already established that you do not have the faintest grasp of the issues here curly...so no need to continually confirm that you know.
Says who??? Curly the golden ear? Seriously, how can you justify that statement? I mean that. Give me the reasons YOU 'know' that we still need to quantify many aspects of sound.
Or is it just another 'what curly believes' without any foundation whatsoever.
You will not even test what science already tells us, and here you are saying we have more things to learn?!! **** you are arrogant. At least get off your **** and TEST what we have been talking about, THEN come back with a list of the things science still needs to learn will ya?
(a*rse is a bad word?? really??)
Yep, I think you just may have managed to convince me.
So I was right. They DO cut that lady in half and put her back together again. Ha, and all my mates tried to tell me it was a trick, but I told them (the fools that they are) that 'look guys, you gotta trust what your eyes and brains tell you. It is really an awakening experience'
Look curly, I only used level differences as an example that is probably not really that applicable to cables, simply to show you an example of these many factors that are known to influence our perceptions. Start learning.
Doomlord, please make the long posts as often as you like.
C'mon Panikos, you're one of the good guys. You get 'upset' when *we* talk about expensive cables, you state your irritation whenever that comes up (as it is a caricature I guess??)
Don't tell us about a 20 years old 100db sesitivity disco speaker driven by a 250w/ch questionable amp fed by a questionable dvd player and used off e-bay crappy wires.
Are you not guilty of the same here?? You're better than that.
Says who??? Curly the golden ear? Seriously, how can you justify that statement? I mean that. Give me the reasons YOU 'know' that we still need to quantify many aspects of sound.
Or is it just another 'what curly believes' without any foundation whatsoever.
You will not even test what science already tells us, and here you are saying we have more things to learn?!! **** you are arrogant. At least get off your **** and TEST what we have been talking about, THEN come back with a list of the things science still needs to learn will ya?
(a*rse is a bad word?? really??)
Maybe THIS is it?? Ahh, the old perversion of the truth. Nope, none of us think that science has stopped learning.......
Yep, I think you just may have managed to convince me.
So I was right. They DO cut that lady in half and put her back together again. Ha, and all my mates tried to tell me it was a trick, but I told them (the fools that they are) that 'look guys, you gotta trust what your eyes and brains tell you. It is really an awakening experience'
Look curly, I only used level differences as an example that is probably not really that applicable to cables, simply to show you an example of these many factors that are known to influence our perceptions. Start learning.
Doomlord, please make the long posts as often as you like.
C'mon Panikos, you're one of the good guys. You get 'upset' when *we* talk about expensive cables, you state your irritation whenever that comes up (as it is a caricature I guess??)
Don't tell us about a 20 years old 100db sesitivity disco speaker driven by a 250w/ch questionable amp fed by a questionable dvd player and used off e-bay crappy wires.
Are you not guilty of the same here?? You're better than that.
Says you
Golden ear? I simply listen and my ears and brain do the hard part. 😎
Sorry I do not have to believe anything other than what I hear.
And just what has science defined definitively yet about what a human being is capable of hearing? The jury is still out thankfully.
I am glad that we came to that conclusion before this went any farther 🙂
Sorry no magic here. I just listen and learn from what I hear.
I can only hope that you will be my teacher 🙂
I can't get anyone here to just read and discuss ONE technical paper on how the ear hears. Doesn't that say something about the level of scientific enquiry on this thread?
I see why you think like this.I also know that you are one of the few here who understands WHEN I get upset,and it is not when you talk about expensive cables.I get upset when someone becomes hostile and rude to say the least.Hostility and rudness is not good science.
Now to my comment,and why I think you translated it wrongly.First,it has nothing to do with the owner,nor I implied anything concerning the cost of that system so as to offend its owner for such reason.At the time this system was on sale,it was a very expensive system.It was much more expensive than the system I was using back then.It is the quality of such systems,or the lack of it,that I'm refering to.And I was expecting that someone who's questioning our ability of what and how to listen to our music,and understand what we are listening,should have a better reference.Especially when he says that he didn't even listen to the system before taking it home.
To answer your last point,I have never claimed to be better than anyone here,but I'm trying at least to avoid thick and offensive comments for everyone here.
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Sure you can. Start a thread about it. As far as I can see, the paper isn't about cables so is OT.
I'll step in and vouch for that.
I lost every bit of respect for Randi after that incident.
The guy's a !@#$% weasel.
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Says you
You were completely unaware of the concept of level differences and it's subjective impact!!! You thought blind testing meant you had to listen with your eyes shut!!
Yep, says me, and continually proved by you.
thanks.
This proves that science needs to learn more?? How. Because curly listen to music? seriously?
OMG, are you really as dumb as you are coming across?
No worries, I look and learn too. And MY eyes cannot be fooled.
Bzzzt! how many times can a person be wrong? YOU (at the end of the day) are your own teacher. And look just where your self taught methods of the last twenty years (so you keep telling us over and over) have gotten you.
""I know science is wrong about all this stuff, cause I just know. that means I do not have to take anything into account at all as a safeguard against all the mechanisms that can fool us.
That also gives me the power to state that science needs to learn more, just cause i say so. ''
So the universe was made in a week curly? no need to check data eh?
Why am I reminded of the creation science museums? Pictures of jesus riding a dinosaur?
Indeed, unless they're about cables.
Then again, 95% of this thread is off topic.
Say... did you know it's jneutron's birthday today?
Then again, 95% of this thread is off topic.
Say... did you know it's jneutron's birthday today?
Ive had a sharp mini hifi since i was 15 and it comes with thoses really small <1mm speaker cables (hardwired in) i replaced them with a length of monstercable ($20 for 8m osmthing like that) and yes there was a huge difference, well as much as possible in a system which is all plastic.
I also listend to 2 high end speaker cables (max $200 i think) one was silve the other copper and yes there was a difference in sound but in terms of quality i couldnt tell.
I also listend to 2 high end speaker cables (max $200 i think) one was silve the other copper and yes there was a difference in sound but in terms of quality i couldnt tell.
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so talk...
so.. is the premise that a secondary mechanism for enhanced sensitivity at specific frequencies during auditory processing due to phase issues between the sensory hairs and the basilar membrane somehow influences ones ability to differentiate minute differences in "soundstage" "air", and the perception of "being there" thru cabling vs. just listening on an IPOD?
please fill us in with wisdom and guidance
We're all ears😉😀
John L.
john curl said:
so.. is the premise that a secondary mechanism for enhanced sensitivity at specific frequencies during auditory processing due to phase issues between the sensory hairs and the basilar membrane somehow influences ones ability to differentiate minute differences in "soundstage" "air", and the perception of "being there" thru cabling vs. just listening on an IPOD?
please fill us in with wisdom and guidance
We're all ears😉😀
John L.
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