I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

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It is about how a component changes the way that music sounds. Some cables collapse an image and flatten it, some expand it to the point of exaggeration, some are more transparent allowing images to better be defined and focused. Some cables have a leaner or drier sound to they while others have a bit of richness to them.
Prime bulltish.
It says that your brain looses its interrest if you force it to listan to the same song for 4-5 hours.And surely,you are not alone to thatThat is not listening to music.It is torture
Even bigger bulltish! I said same CD, not same song for 4-5 hours.
Bulltish still reigns supreme. Sadly, the aforementioned artists don't have any sense of self-perception (or perception generally).

Frank
 
Prime bulltish.
Even bigger bulltish! I said same CD, not same song for 4-5 hours.
Bulltish still reigns supreme. Sadly, the aforementioned artists don't have any sense of self-perception (or perception generally).

Frank

If your system does not allow these factors to be present, please do not tell me that mine does not my friend. Maybe you lack the ability to set up your system to allow these aspects to be present and in a degrre that they are understandable. I have over 20 years of listening to great systems and have learned how to make them sound their best thru experience. Again if you lack these aspects of musical reproduction, do not try to limit what I am capable of achieving in mine. Thank you 🙂
 
It's really simple. If you are aware that level differences cause perception differences, and you want to find out if two cables sound different, you should match levels. If you don't, you're just fooling around, that should be clear to anyone with a grasp of logic. That's OK, but don't expect us to pay any attention to what you say.

jd

Hoi jan,

what´s wrong today? 🙂

First, afair i wrote that level differences wouldn´t be accetable in any scientific experiment.

Second, if the result of a level matched dbt confirms the result of sighted tests without level matching (but followed "the turn to zero between routine" ) what´s to conclude with a "grasp of logic" ?

Please remember what i´ve posted before; i have conducted blind tests and dbts with ~120 participants and quite often have seen, that the above mentioned did happen.

Wishes
 
I hear many things, however, I know that my brain makes me a prime example of a bulltish artist so I discount most of what I hear until another time/day. I leave one CD playing for 4 to 5 hours on loop and it sounds different from one song to a repeat so what does that say about human cognition (and I'm not alone in that).
Frank

I must admit you are good, normally I battle to listen through a CD once. 😀
 
Prime bulltish.
Even bigger bulltish! I said same CD, not same song for 4-5 hours.
Bulltish still reigns supreme. Sadly, the aforementioned artists don't have any sense of self-perception (or perception generally).

Frank

Yes,sorry for the "bulltish".Still listening to the same cd(all of it not just one song😀),is a torture.You are not sitting in front of your system all these 4-5 hours,are you?If you are,this is self-torture😀
I know you are not so please spare me with the "bulltish"thing,Doing different things in the house during these 4-5 hours,surely your brain can't concentrate on music,so same tracks sound -as expected-different.Not to mention that there will be times during these 4-5 hours of listening to the same cd(not just the same song😀),that you will not even remember if you have heard one or two of them.If this is "bulltish" too for you,no problem.
 
Prime bulltish.
Even bigger bulltish! I said same CD, not same song for 4-5 hours.
Bulltish still reigns supreme. Sadly, the aforementioned artists don't have any sense of self-perception (or perception generally).

Frank

One more thing.Doesn't your superior intelligence allow you to be more flexible to someone who's mother language is not the same as your's,so he may do some mistakes?:no:
 
If your system does not allow these factors to be present, please do not tell me that mine does not my friend. Maybe you lack the ability to set up your system to allow these aspects to be present and in a degrre that they are understandable. I have over 20 years of listening to great systems and have learned how to make them sound their best thru experience. Again if you lack these aspects of musical reproduction, do not try to limit what I am capable of achieving in mine. Thank you 🙂

Could you ever actually prove you have a better setup then ANYONE that does not agree with you?

It seems you have one arguement and you just keep posting it. You keep saying our systems are not up to your standards and that we have "learned" how to listen.

Show me the science and measurements that back your opinion because until then I can only conclude that your system is pretty flawed and that you have been brainwashed for 20 years.
 
But there are measurable differences, the only problem is to decide what level of differences are audible and to whom. Certainly, there will be different opinions on that as people's hearing and LISTENING ability vary quite a lot.

My brother can hear a transistor amp, driving a dummy load, sing to over 22kHz, I can't even hear it no matter how hard I try. In other aspects I can hear differences he can't.

The only difference is that some people control their testing and some people do not.

Your brother can hear 22KHz?? I would love to read proof of that.
 
Could you ever actually prove you have a better setup then ANYONE that does not agree with you?

It seems you have one arguement and you just keep posting it. You keep saying our systems are not up to your standards and that we have "learned" how to listen.

Show me the science and measurements that back your opinion because until then I can only conclude that your system is pretty flawed and that you have been brainwashed for 20 years.

What do I have to prove Doug? I never said that I have a better system than anyone else. I said that my system is capable of allowing me to enjoy music the way that I want to hear it. This is not personal, so please do not make it a personal issue. I have no ax to grind with you or anyone else here. if you do not agree with me that is your choice. I make choices too. Is that hard to understand? As far as science goes it allows us to enjoy hi-fi equipment, but many aspects as to why some things sound different are yet to be quantified. Do you think that science has stopped learning new and unknown aspects of our world today? I hope not. There are still great advancements that have yet to be realized.
 
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What do I have to prove Doug? I never said that I have a better system than anyone else. I said that my system is capable of allowing me to enjoy music the way that I want to hear it. This is not personal, so please do not make it a personal issue. I have no ax to grind with you or anyone else here. if you do not agree with me that is your choice. I make choices too. Is that hard to understand?

lol, you do not even read what you have posted in the past in this thread. I know its hard with you post the same non-supported ramblings over and over.

Here is a hint: ALL OUR SYSTEMS are capable of allowing ALL OF US to enjoy the music the way we want to enjoy it so that point is a completely USELESS point in this thread.

Anytime you post "MY system can or YOUR system can not" or "Someone just needs to LEARN" you are being personal. Im amazed you never understand this. 🙁

You posted a couple threads back that you do not care to level match, you do not believe knowing the price, brand, looks of the cable matters in any listening conclusions. 😱 I would just conclude that I feel sorry for anyone that has followed any opinion of yours when you sold audio equipment because you are not what I consider and audio expert at all.
 
As far as science goes it allows us to enjoy hi-fi equipment, but many aspects as to why somethings sound different are yet to be quantified. Do you think that science has stopped learning new and unknown aspects of our world today? I hope not. There are still great advancements that have yet to be realized.

There will be always advancements, you have yet to even follow science at all so those advancements will never matter to you anyways.

When the advancements prove most of your ill-informed opinions wrong you will still be posting that you hear things that science can not quanitify....

Honestly, its a great position to be in. You will never be wrong because faith is stronger then the facts 😱
 
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lol, you do not even read what you have posted in the past in this thread. I know its hard with you post the same non-supported ramblings over and over.

Here is a hint: ALL OUR SYSTEMS are capable of allowing ALL OF US to enjoy the music the way we want to enjoy it so that point is a completely USELESS point in this thread.

Anytime you post "MY system can or YOUR system can not" or "Someone just needs to LEARN" you are being personal. Im amazed you never understand this. 🙁

You posted a couple threads back that you do not care to level match, you do not believe knowing the price, brand, looks of the cable matters in any listening conclusions. 😱 I would just conclude that I feel sorry for anyone that has followed any opinion of yours when you sold audio equipment because you are not what I consider and audio expert at all.

That's right Doug, level matching has noting to do with listening to music 🙂 Again if you want to make this personal, please do so via private messages. The forum probably could care less about personal issues.
 
The only difference is that some people control their testing and some people do not.

Your brother can hear 22KHz?? I would love to read proof of that.

I did a blind test on a buddy of mine in my Salt Lake days. He had radar ears. NO problem telling me when a 22kHz sine wave was switched on and off out of his presence. Dynaudio tweeters, so in-band distortion was unlikely at the relatively low levels we used (<1W).
 
I did a blind test on a buddy of mine in my Salt Lake days. He had radar ears. NO problem telling me when a 22kHz sine wave was switched on and off out of his presence. Dynaudio tweeters, so in-band distortion was unlikely at the relatively low levels we used (<1W).

Not distortion? true 22KHz? That is simply amazing, really unbelievable from all things I have read about the ear.
 
Fellow scientists out there. I found a very interesting article that partially explains why people can hear as well as they can. It is called: 'Modeling the Active Process of the Cochlea: Phase Relations, Amplification, and Spontaneous Oscillation' by V.S. Markin and A.J. Hudspeth. I strongly recommend that you read this free paper available from the internet. It won't tell you everything that you need to know about the extra sensitivity of the human ear that traditionally doesn't make any sense, but it is a good start.
Test on Friday. Jan, especially look into this or forever keep your peace. ;-)
 
Fellow scientists out there. I found a very interesting article that partially explains why people can hear as well as they can. It is called: 'Modeling the Active Process of the Cochlea: Phase Relations, Amplification, and Spontaneous Oscillation' by V.S. Markin and A.J. Hudspeth. I strongly recommend that you read this free paper available from the internet. It won't tell you everything that you need to know about the extra sensitivity of the human ear that traditionally doesn't make any sense, but it is a good start.
Test on Friday. Jan, especially look into this or forever keep your peace. ;-)

I'll look into it. But I'm already at peace 😉

jd
 
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