I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

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I wonder how those "crap" designs measured 🙄

Surprise, surprise - there are extremely sensitive methods to measure the digital 'crap' we are talking about here (that is, jitter) and here's a good white paper about: http://www.bertscope.com/Literature/White_Papers/Eye_Anatomy.pdf

All DACs I ever had a chance to evaluate had clearly measurable imperfections, which were one ot two order of magnitude over the setup (essentially an 8Gb/sec digital scope) quantisation errors. Where is the 'crap' barrier, I don't know.

How long since I read about copying CD's is altering the sound :rofl:
 
Isn't it through one that you listen to your music and decide if you like it or not?I was refering to your comment "...your only reference is what you like or you don't like..." Ok,audio system....if you prefer..............

That was not the question that you dodged 😉
I'll help you:

'hi-fi' stands for High Fidelity. Meaning that you reproduce the music as 'fidel' as possible, adding nothing, taking nothing away. That seems a pretty clear goal to me...

jd
 
That was not the question that you dodged 😉
I'll help you:

'hi-fi' stands for High Fidelity. Meaning that you reproduce the music as 'fidel' as possible, adding nothing, taking nothing away. That seems a pretty clear goal to me...

jd

So,is this the first time that you hear someone using the term "hi-fi" for audio equipment?
I wasn't trying to "dodge" anything.
I know what "hi-fi" means.What you described as "hi-fi",I would describe as "ultimate fidelity" though.🙂
 
That's a nice procedure :rofl:
So:
- you use a crappy DAC, then swap digital cables, hear differences and decide "this cable is better/worse".

Which is equivalent to:
- you use a crappy power amp *, then swap speaker cables, hear differences and decide "this cable is better/worse".

* E.g. known as unstable in capacitive loads, or low damping, etc...

Wow syn08, you are so clever, especially in twisting what was said.

I've tried different digital (SPDIF) cables that an importer gave me to evaluate, I've tried them on a Sunfire TG4 and on one of Sony's top AV Processors of the time. In both instances I've heard the same differences.

After testing I've decided that I get better SQ from the DAC inside my CD player, so never bothered with it again.
 
I think it is important to know this. If you aware of these issues you may decide to spend, for instance, $ 1500 for a Benchmark Media DAC or $ 2500 for an Ayre DAC or any of a lot of competently designed DACs which are immune to jitter on the digital signal, instead of blindly spending the same or more on cables in the hope that the two errors cancel 😉
jd

Right, I guess everybody can afford that. What would you suggest for an AV Processor and what would the cost of that be?
 
This is a case of design 'history'
First, the problem doesn't exist (in DACS)
Second, the problem exists, but is not important (we properly terminate our cables)
Third, of course EVERY DAC worth using, uses sophisticated re-clocking, like the big boys. ;-)
 
I wouldn't think so, given the persistence you are pushing your subjective opinions as Truth. But you are right, you shouldn't care, I'm not a good customer 😀

I have never tried to push any subjective opinion.I just said I can hear differences between cables.And still do🙂
"Customer"? Have I tried to sell anything to anyone here?Wasn't it you who admitted that you have not seen any form of advert on my part?What has changed?
"Truth"? What is truth?I am of the very few here who never claimed my system is "accurate,true to live,real etc....."You know why?I have both feet on the ground 😀
Opinions are always subjective.That's why they are called opinions.
 
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I have never tried to push any subjective opinion.I just said I can hear differences between cables.And still do🙂
"Customer"? Have I tried to sell anything to anyone here?Wasn't it you who admitted that you have not seen any form of advert on my part?What has changed?
"Truth"? What is truth?I am of the very few here who never claimed my system is "accurate,true to live,real etc....."You know why?I have both feet on the ground 😀
Opinions are always subjective.That's why they are called opinions.

...customer of buying the subjective opinions around, whatever they smell 🙂
...and I said I disagree with your opinions 🙂

...and to quote SY "all it takes is testing without peeking" 🙂

Are you up for?
 
...customer of buying the subjective opinions around, whatever they smell 🙂
...and I said I disagree with your opinions 🙂

...and to quote SY "all it takes is testing without peeking" 🙂

Are you up for?

I was the first who said yes I am up for a test.I was told I live very far,so I did a test with two friends.SY said we were "peeking".I guess he must have some special ability to see what's going on overseas.And you seem to agree with him😀
Just for the record,since then,we have done other two similar tests.We are happy with the result,but I guess you don't care..............
 
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