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Of course i have, hence why i started doing this, most don't want to pay ZILLIONS of dollars for cables marked up.
I tried to do this years ago, but didn't have the funds to buy stock to create different types and styles, at this time i do have money to buy stock for cables.
Good luck with your venture. Starting a dream is never easy and filled with pot holes. Hang tough!
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Being laid off in the last month or so, and saving money to do something i have always wanted to do has allowed me to do this, also asking permission from the wife has also allowed me to 🙂 Have a hand full of help from this forum to thank for too.!
Let's hope it picks up and i sell cables to help, I will also be donating money to DIY Audio as i cables start selling.
The economy is tough. A good well priced product is what the doctor ordered in times like these. People want value for there dollars. Hope it all goes well for you.
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Hi,
Back to page 743....Stopped reading as I need some catching up to do.
Sorry if it's been replied to already.
Actually a good thing you mention this as it can be quite easily demonstrated that the sonic signature of components (let's call it that for now) can be carried over from one system to another.
Be that cable or amps, it can be shown provided you're familiar enough with the components you're swapping from one system to the other.
I often find various brands, be those high-end or not so high-end to have a typical sound.
Some sort of colouration if you like, across their range of products.
One brand that comes to (my) mind immediately is the VTL/Manley range of products.
The strangest thing is that whether it's their amps, preamps, cables, even Manley's recordings (vinyl or CD) they all have that typical sound which I can recognize as soon as I hear a few bars of music.
Same thing but different signature with the YBA range.....
The nice little Rotel amps, NAD, Naim etc. Same thing.
Now with amps I can understand as they probably use the same kind of passive components throughout the range but it's really funny to catch equipment designers unearthing cables that actually sound very similar to their amps wouldn't you think?
Surely someone must have listened to the stuff.
I wonder how you'd measure it though....😀
Cheers, 😉
Back to page 743....Stopped reading as I need some catching up to do.
Sorry if it's been replied to already.
Actually a good thing you mention this as it can be quite easily demonstrated that the sonic signature of components (let's call it that for now) can be carried over from one system to another.
Be that cable or amps, it can be shown provided you're familiar enough with the components you're swapping from one system to the other.
I often find various brands, be those high-end or not so high-end to have a typical sound.
Some sort of colouration if you like, across their range of products.
One brand that comes to (my) mind immediately is the VTL/Manley range of products.
The strangest thing is that whether it's their amps, preamps, cables, even Manley's recordings (vinyl or CD) they all have that typical sound which I can recognize as soon as I hear a few bars of music.
Same thing but different signature with the YBA range.....
The nice little Rotel amps, NAD, Naim etc. Same thing.
Now with amps I can understand as they probably use the same kind of passive components throughout the range but it's really funny to catch equipment designers unearthing cables that actually sound very similar to their amps wouldn't you think?
Surely someone must have listened to the stuff.
I wonder how you'd measure it though....😀
Cheers, 😉
Hi,
Another nugget.😎
I bet that mercury cable came from Germany, right?
Anyway, yep, you have a good point regarding perceived speed.
Kinda reminds me of those dreaded cathode resistors decoupling caps that seemingly cause all sorts of time delays....
As for the sound of silver wire, it's a similar effect really, it sounds faster, leaner and cleaner than copper wire generally speaking.
@Andre Visser: you should keep in mind that copper and silver wires of equal diameter aren't electrically identical.
Cheers, 😉
Another nugget.😎
I bet that mercury cable came from Germany, right?
Anyway, yep, you have a good point regarding perceived speed.
Kinda reminds me of those dreaded cathode resistors decoupling caps that seemingly cause all sorts of time delays....
As for the sound of silver wire, it's a similar effect really, it sounds faster, leaner and cleaner than copper wire generally speaking.
@Andre Visser: you should keep in mind that copper and silver wires of equal diameter aren't electrically identical.
Cheers, 😉
fdgrove
Doesn't every weird thing that is totally over the top?
Actually, I don't really remember, but it sounds comfortable and Mile' was involved with providing compensation networks for some German cartridges. Plus, he purchased the soft poly carbonate midrange domes and pure rubber 15 inch woofer surrounds from there as well.
Bud
Doesn't every weird thing that is totally over the top?
Actually, I don't really remember, but it sounds comfortable and Mile' was involved with providing compensation networks for some German cartridges. Plus, he purchased the soft poly carbonate midrange domes and pure rubber 15 inch woofer surrounds from there as well.
Bud
Hi,
That must have been around '86-'87.
I actually saw and heard those mercury cables at the Frankfurter High-End Messe way back then.
Can't remember what room it was, Burmester perhaps.
The networks Nestorivic made were either for cartridges from Peter Suchy from Clearaudio or Benz-Micro. Not sure either...
Again, I could be wrong but the speaker units you mention looked a lot like the ones used by Infinity in their open baffle designs IIRC, didn't they?
Boy, we gettin' old or what?
@Curly Woods: Odd isn't it?
Cheers and off to bed now... 😉
That must have been around '86-'87.
I actually saw and heard those mercury cables at the Frankfurter High-End Messe way back then.
Can't remember what room it was, Burmester perhaps.
The networks Nestorivic made were either for cartridges from Peter Suchy from Clearaudio or Benz-Micro. Not sure either...
Again, I could be wrong but the speaker units you mention looked a lot like the ones used by Infinity in their open baffle designs IIRC, didn't they?
Boy, we gettin' old or what?
@Curly Woods: Odd isn't it?
Cheers and off to bed now... 😉
Frank,
All of those names sound familiar in connection with the compensation networks, though ClearAudio was the one that sent the largest number of "samples".
I have attached a photo shop chop job for the system 16, the biggest system we made. Twin 15 inch woofers, one with a resonant frequency of 8 Hz and the other 16 Hz, in an 8 cu ft box and with Mile's patented cross over, that rolled off the 16 Hz one into a passive radiator starting at 24 Hz. Two of these boxes, along with two of the double towers for upper bass, mids and highs comprised a system 16. They could maker you vomit with the right source material.
Bud
All of those names sound familiar in connection with the compensation networks, though ClearAudio was the one that sent the largest number of "samples".
I have attached a photo shop chop job for the system 16, the biggest system we made. Twin 15 inch woofers, one with a resonant frequency of 8 Hz and the other 16 Hz, in an 8 cu ft box and with Mile's patented cross over, that rolled off the 16 Hz one into a passive radiator starting at 24 Hz. Two of these boxes, along with two of the double towers for upper bass, mids and highs comprised a system 16. They could maker you vomit with the right source material.
Bud
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Hi Bud,
I remember those. I even got to hear a set at home in my own system. Were you with Mille' at the Las Vegas show when he shared a room with Merrill turntables? I believe they were using the top of the line Benz-Micro that Mille' brought with him. If George had brought the cartridge it would have been the $1,000 Spectral.
I remember those. I even got to hear a set at home in my own system. Were you with Mille' at the Las Vegas show when he shared a room with Merrill turntables? I believe they were using the top of the line Benz-Micro that Mille' brought with him. If George had brought the cartridge it would have been the $1,000 Spectral.
Hi
Interesting post, what about stereo imaging in respect to cables, can cables affect it, and does the effect follow the cable into other systems?
cheers
I think that cables can affect imaging, but I also think that it is more of a factor of the electronics. The less the cables interfere with the signal, the better the system can do its thing.
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