I wonder about stranded cable.
Some have the fibers individually insulated and then wound tight.
Some have the fibers uninsulated and then wound tight.
Some are individually insulated and then wound non-tight.
In a pinch, I'll use 16ga lamp wire for the tracks in my power supply, but in order to do so, I have to strip, rewind, gel flux, and solder the entire business solid. The appearance of each track looks like a stick of glossy silver when finished. The caps are positioned in a "bucking" arrangement, not exactly parallel in appearance, but more "pressed together" in order to use the shortest cap lead possible with the greatest contact surface. The dry assembly already makes tight contact before soldering begins. The point is decreased noise. The assembly is fast and easy. For power supply, this works quite well!
This extremely simple DC power supply reads as no resistance to an AC ohmmeter; but, caps and filters alone don't usually do that without the careful wiring (exception: unless you add more parts).
However, it does make me wonder if the wiring technique doesn't also apply (mean something) no matter if the power is dc or if it is ac (ac--such as speaker level audio ac signal)?
Hi,
John, correct me if I'm misreading the intent of your post but I was under the impression that the whole idea of OFC types of cables (i.e. long grain, few interstices) was to reduces intercrystal boundary effects.
Suggesting amorphous metal structures may well increase IM lattices and hence increase noise, or don't they?
From my experience silver conductors add less noise than copper cables. They also have a natural (i.e. in natural state) longer crystalline structure than copper wire wich also is less prone to gaseous pollution....
So, why amorpous conductors?
P.S. To all who took a peak at the links I posted to Uhasselt, thank you.
It kind of shows that science has moved on to levels way beyond the level of discussion we're keeping here and that the local self-proclaimed scientists should start scratching their heads.
Note also that this has been forwarded to them years ago.....
Cheers, 😉
John, correct me if I'm misreading the intent of your post but I was under the impression that the whole idea of OFC types of cables (i.e. long grain, few interstices) was to reduces intercrystal boundary effects.
Suggesting amorphous metal structures may well increase IM lattices and hence increase noise, or don't they?
From my experience silver conductors add less noise than copper cables. They also have a natural (i.e. in natural state) longer crystalline structure than copper wire wich also is less prone to gaseous pollution....
So, why amorpous conductors?
P.S. To all who took a peak at the links I posted to Uhasselt, thank you.
It kind of shows that science has moved on to levels way beyond the level of discussion we're keeping here and that the local self-proclaimed scientists should start scratching their heads.
Note also that this has been forwarded to them years ago.....
Cheers, 😉
Can you name any that wouldn't be buried well below the thermal noise of the wire itself? And if not, why one would worry about something buried well below the thermal noise of the wire itself?
Because "amorphous" makes for a great marketing buzzword.
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Amorphous output transformers sound different than standard wound OP transformers from the same manufacturers. Ask Bup Pervine from O-Netics or Mike from Magnaquest, or anyone that has listened to both. Why should the wire itself not sound different that standard copper in a speaker cable?
I doubt that anything said in these forums will make one iota of difference to the high end market. You give yourselves far more credit than you should. People have been listening to and buying cables for far longer than you have been around, and I don't see it stopping anytime soon. There are simply far more that listen than those that claim they are delusional. I also do not see that changing anytime soon either.
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Thank you, great one.
My memory was a bit hazy. Just looked up the latest price; a Bulk 16L bucket of Rear Projection Topcoat goes for a bargain $2921 AUD. 2.3L goes for $468, AUD; $203 per litre, about 10 times the price of a perfectly adequate alternative product.
If you think that is good value for money, then good for you. I’m sure it’s an exceptional product, superior to anything even approaching its price tag.
Did you buy any Gooeys?
Goo Systems
They’re a bargain too. Just look for the testimonials.
Isn't a lot of what's discussed here the "high end market"? 😕
I think there are a lot more sitting on the sidelines eating popcorn and watching all this, but that's just IMHO 😀
It should be pointed out, for fairness, that Steve Eddy has made high end, expensive, audio connecting cable and sold it at a high price. While he solders well, and makes a good presentation package, there was no 'rational' reason that his cables were any better than doorbell cable, even from his website.
Hi,
Educating Ediots are we?
Everyone is entitled to his ignorance, there is no way to educate Rita.
Rita is going to accuse to make money off forum content while all Rita wants is to suck your knowledge.
Monsieur Steve Eddy is your typical sockpuppet living on this forum thanks to our moderator who of course will turn a blind eye since he benetfits from it either way.
So, back to square one. Once again.
Cheers, 😉
Educating Ediots are we?
Everyone is entitled to his ignorance, there is no way to educate Rita.
Rita is going to accuse to make money off forum content while all Rita wants is to suck your knowledge.
Monsieur Steve Eddy is your typical sockpuppet living on this forum thanks to our moderator who of course will turn a blind eye since he benetfits from it either way.
So, back to square one. Once again.
Cheers, 😉
I'd rather see no reason given at all then the pseudo-scientific baloney normally seen in cable vendors' web sites and ads.
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Why would I **** you! The eveidence is there. The scientific community wants to put their head in the sand, ridicule the majority for hearing differences and hope that we will go away. Sorry that will not happen.
I have not meet one person that heard differences later come back and say that they all of a sudden did not hear differences, that they had suddenly determined that they were suddenly "delusional".
Not that people can't hear the differences, no I have never heard that converstion too often. Those conversations seem to happen in this forum more than most for what ever reason.
If anyone is sitting it is the listeners among you that are afraid to voice their opinions. They would rather stay quiet than to feel the wrath of the good squads. 😀
I agree that some of the ** marketing could be left out of the advertising. It is a fact of the world though. Show me an honest advertisement in any field and I will show 100 more that are littered with marketing **! That does not change that there are differences between them. That said not all are worth a flip, regardless of price, just as not every equipment manufacturer makes incredibly good sounding audio equipment. This fact has not stopped the marketing ** from their ads either. So what is your point 🙄
I'm gonna have to go Inigo Montoya on you.
You're welcome. I missed the part about what relevance any of those had to speaker cables, but I'm pretty dumb about that science stuff. Enlighten me.
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