I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

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Hi,

janneman said:



No, it varies with the case or circumstance. We are all stupid once in a while, no exceptions.
Maybe an other example. Lots of people lost money in the latest crisis because they were investing in schemes that clearly were very high risk, and that those people that lost even themselves said, afterwards, 'I was sooo stupid'. But these were not stupid people, these were often very intelligent people that did a thing that many others (and, in hindsight, even themselves) thought stupid.

OTOH, if I have a very strong believe and someone challenges me, it's hard not to feel belittled and called stupid or dumm. So it's an understandable reaction but not necessarily correct, and not at all constructive. Once you can accept criticism on your ideas or believes and not see it as a personal attack on your intelligence or whatever, you can learn very fast.

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I wouldn't complain about the occasional knee-jerk if I were you as you're more often than not provoking them.

Guess it's that typical Dutch arrogance which I think is rather errr...Narrow minded.

Intelligent people, to my mind at least, are those that can take a step back from what they've been taught.
See their knowledge not as an absolute but as a basis for new thoughts to arise.

I know a lot of well educated people with a lot of knowledge that I consider just stupid because they're unwilling to evolve beyond their education.
They're just religioulsy convinced they know it all.

That, I feel, is just stupid. Far more stupid than the uneducated person willing to expand his horizon whilst keeping an open mind.

When literally thousands of people report to hear differences where science says there can't be any and this goes on for the better part of thirty years, does that mean there is no difference or that maybe science doesn't tell the whole picture?

Looking back I still see the same attitude as when I was a kid. What we were told was absolute and was beyond questioning.
No one of my generation would have said to his teacher that a resistor is just more than a simple resistor, same for caps etc.
We were taught to shut up and listen to the source of TRUTH.

Fact is, we now accept that a resistor isn't just that etc.
Is it thanks to a strictly scientific education or is it that some actually had the balls to doubt what we were fed as an absolute truth wasn't all that asolute after all?

At the age of fiftytwo, the one thing I know is that there's no such thing as the absolute truth.

I take all non-believers never hear any differences in various cables and if they do they'll inevitably chalk it up to differences in L, C or R?
Do they actually get out their armchair and measure the stuff to confirm it?
I doubt it and the doubt goes both ways.

Yet I feel it's far more likely to have the average audiophile question what he just heard and revert to the previous situation to see his observation either confirmed or denied.

Insinuating one holds the absolute truth is neither wise nor intelligent.
Accepting the possibility of being wrong could be the wiser option.

Cheers, 😉
 
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fdegrove said:
Hi,

When literally thousands of people report to hear differences where science says there can't be any and this goes on for the better part of thirty years, does that mean there is no difference or that maybe science doesn't tell the whole picture?
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Sorry this is a gross mis-characterization, "science" never said there can't be any difference. The people claiming science on their sides are often just as casual and anecdotal as the other side.

Your comfort zone seems to be be at the extremes like the "measurement crowd" a bunch of propeller heads with meters and oscilloscopes. If submitting to some accountability for what one claims to hear is an insult to ones integrity or a waste of time because by experience it is so obvious, so be it this will never be resolved.
 
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scott wurcer said:
Sorry this is a gross mis-characterization, "science" never said there can't be any difference. The people claiming science on their sides are often just as casual and anecdotal as the other side.
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There aren't enough 'thumbs up' for that comment. It's obviously common to believe the contradiction that just siding with science grants special compensation to abandon its principles and methods in defending it.
 
#4,972
Hi,

cables make a difference. And ultra-expensive amplifiers. And extreme-complex cd/dvd-players. And the chair you take a seat on.

Guys, I am not kidding!

I'm working in a test laboratory. And I have to deal _daily_ with insane questions about how we are measure the devices of the suppliers of our customers. And these suppliers are always complaining about our cables, our amplifiers, our whole equipment. So, using the best of the best will shut them up! And that's why cables make a difference!

I'm so depressed...

Baseballbat
 
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Baseballbat said:
Hi,

cables make a difference. And ultra-expensive amplifiers. And extreme-complex cd/dvd-players. And the chair you take a seat on.

Guys, I am not kidding!

I'm working in a test laboratory. And I have to deal _daily_ with insane questions about how we are measure the devices of the suppliers of our customers. And these suppliers are always complaining about our cables, our amplifiers, our whole equipment. So, using the best of the best will shut them up! And that's why cables make a difference!

I'm so depressed...

Baseballbat
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Errrr. The chair does make a significant audible difference if it has a high back because it changes the diffraction of sound around the head and shoulders and messes up the HRTF the brain has learnt. The other stuff can also make a perceivable difference particularly for believers but I have no idea how you cover for it because it is going to be erratic.
 
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