"Easily proved" was your claim. Still waiting.
BTW, my volunteer work as a moderator is irrelevant. I have not moderated this thread with the exception of quietly removing one post from a new member, which was a direct, insulting personal attack on you. I then banned him.
Re: Re: Pointless drivel
I hate to ask, but, was it ever looked into? Perhaps in that field it's the same level of nonsense as exhausting a torpedo's propulsion gases out the nose. 🙂
scott wurcer said:
I hate to ask, but, was it ever looked into? Perhaps in that field it's the same level of nonsense as exhausting a torpedo's propulsion gases out the nose. 🙂
Hi,
Price should not be a factor.
Price is more often than dictated by the market and whatever the manufacturer/designer think his product is worth compared to his direct competitors. Rightly or wrongly.
Cheers, 😉
skogs said:
Price should not be a factor.
Price is more often than dictated by the market and whatever the manufacturer/designer think his product is worth compared to his direct competitors. Rightly or wrongly.
Cheers, 😉
Re: Re: Re: Pointless drivel
Nothing I've seen done with no explanation, especially a nonsense one. I know very little about turbulent flow but now you are into physical/mechanical issues not electrical signals and I do know that some very simple systems remain poorly understood. Ground side electron pools?
rdf said:
Nothing I've seen done with no explanation, especially a nonsense one. I know very little about turbulent flow but now you are into physical/mechanical issues not electrical signals and I do know that some very simple systems remain poorly understood. Ground side electron pools?
That's really what I meant. All the male siblings in my family have engineering degrees and work in the field. We're not part of an adventurous breed. Often things are done because that's the way things are always done and progress becomes a matter of continuous optimization. That there's no obvious reason to look isn't a reason not to look. It's what always struck me about advancements such as supercavitating torpedoes, what kind of mad intellect 'pointed the engine in the wrong direction' and permanently changed naval warfare?
It could all still be floobie-dust though.
It could all still be floobie-dust though.
Bud
I found your post, to use the words of Panicos K, "unexpectedly weak"
Thanks for the time and effort though.
Your conclusion, ".....And finally, that layers of dielectric materials provided unpredictable changes in time smear and frequency location of that smear,..."
If dielectric materials are actually responsible for the changes they would be predictable, don't you think?
I found your post, to use the words of Panicos K, "unexpectedly weak"
Thanks for the time and effort though.
Your conclusion, ".....And finally, that layers of dielectric materials provided unpredictable changes in time smear and frequency location of that smear,..."
If dielectric materials are actually responsible for the changes they would be predictable, don't you think?
Hi,
Sure I read that snide remark. I'm still in tears.
I gave you some clues. You don't wan't to listen.
Instead you're insisting on proof of what I and others suggest as possible causes for audible differences.
It seems to me that just like a former mod, in casu Colt45 IIRC, you're demanding evidence of forum members experiences.
He clearly had an hidden agenda and got exposed, eventually.
In the mean time there still is no shred of evidence of anything that would prove either side wrong or right.
At the end of all those years of experience I've never been proven wrong.
I say that in all modesty and I have only invested huge amounts of time and a small fortune so that everyone can build a better system.
Too bad no sound engineer seems to know how to record an event anymore.
At least I tried. Unselfishly so.
You, as a moderator, should respect others and help out instead of publicly stating you're unwiling to help unless you're paid for it.
Nobody works for you here, SY.
It's a forum, nothing more nothing less. So stop demanding for proof of claims and be a wise elder.
Maybe you'll learn to read and listen.
Ciao, 😉
SY said:
Sure I read that snide remark. I'm still in tears.
I gave you some clues. You don't wan't to listen.
Instead you're insisting on proof of what I and others suggest as possible causes for audible differences.
It seems to me that just like a former mod, in casu Colt45 IIRC, you're demanding evidence of forum members experiences.
He clearly had an hidden agenda and got exposed, eventually.
In the mean time there still is no shred of evidence of anything that would prove either side wrong or right.
At the end of all those years of experience I've never been proven wrong.
I say that in all modesty and I have only invested huge amounts of time and a small fortune so that everyone can build a better system.
Too bad no sound engineer seems to know how to record an event anymore.
At least I tried. Unselfishly so.
You, as a moderator, should respect others and help out instead of publicly stating you're unwiling to help unless you're paid for it.
Nobody works for you here, SY.
It's a forum, nothing more nothing less. So stop demanding for proof of claims and be a wise elder.
Maybe you'll learn to read and listen.
Ciao, 😉
Hi,
Yes.
I may have sold a couple of meters of silver wire to people that
had a project going with my former company but other than that? No.
As a company I did design work, had a few engineers on the payroll when needed but 90% of our corporate activity was exporting electron tubes and know-how.
Sure I designed some stuff for some big players but that's not the issue.
I also designed audio cables on a commission basis but I wasn't allowed to sell any obviously.
Why are you asking anyway?
Cheers, 😉
SY said:
Yes.
I may have sold a couple of meters of silver wire to people that
had a project going with my former company but other than that? No.
As a company I did design work, had a few engineers on the payroll when needed but 90% of our corporate activity was exporting electron tubes and know-how.
Sure I designed some stuff for some big players but that's not the issue.
I also designed audio cables on a commission basis but I wasn't allowed to sell any obviously.
Why are you asking anyway?
Cheers, 😉
scott wurcer said:
Hawksford's work back in the late 80s was often based on heresay which he did not then understand. He cannot be taken too seriously although I know where he got his ideas on gauge and that he is reasonably correct in stating it..
fredex said:
this question of 'dielectrics' in my experience is a very major factor in the whole business of cable design. It is certainly more important than the type of wire! Think stray-capacitance.
fdegrove said:
Blimey....I meant to say IC often sound better without shielding.
I know, the RFI brigade will crucify me.
Cheers, 😉
Hi,
Oh...Great. I've been repeating this ad nauseam but to no avail.
Explain to us what you understand by "type of wire"....???
Cheers, 😉
Oh...Great. I've been repeating this ad nauseam but to no avail.
Explain to us what you understand by "type of wire"....???
Cheers, 😉
brianco said:
Yet others say the metal is the thing. So if what you say is true then someday a test will prove that if LCR is held constant, the cables that change dielectrics will differ more in sound than ones that change metals. But wait there is more, what about geometry?
Back in the real world we are still awaiting proof that there is any audible differences at all in cables that have the same LCR regardless of dielectrics, metals or geometries.
I am not saying you are wrong but if the change is inaudible what is the point in being right?
fdegrove said:
Simply it is more important to get the dielectrics right - before thinking in terms of how many decimal point 9s are important in the wire. For speaker cable, the lower the capacitance the better, and simple good quality twisted strand copper of about 20 to 30n amp rating is good. Only when you get the clothes roght does the body benefit from further experiment. Most of the fancy weave stuff is of no added benefit over simple wire as above. I personally do not like silver wire as in my experience it can in the systems I am familiar with sound too thin and screachy.
But I have not done much with silver wire so maybe the stuff around 15-20 years ago was not well executed. However my Kondo Audionote Io is tonally excellent until plugged into a silver wire Tx!!
Because of your fax-wounded dignity when I pointed out that you have a vested interest in the perpetuation of this belief.
You claimed "easily proved." Still waiting. I'm completely open-minded to actual data and proof. Bluster and shuffling don't constitute proof.
You know, all you have to say is, "I believe it, but have no evidence to back up my belief." Sort of like what I say when asked about why I find tube equipment easier to live with. It's OK, we're all allowed a certain amount of irrationality.
fredex said:
PMA keeps track of my sarcasm units. It's all in fun I hope.
I wouldn't want to end up in room 101.
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