fredex said:
I know that Andre has designed a special cable differences detecting circuit automatically activated by the colour of the cable.If you are thinking of leting him take a DBT test,choose a cable with the same colour as his.It is the only way he won't be able to tell the difference.😀
fredex said:
I know.Maybe its because you didn't know that I know,that made you find my word's funny?I hope not silly
Panicos K. Now you mention it, could be, I do find silly things funny. 😀
This debate is getting funny.
This debate is getting funny.
fredex said:
Yes,brain can be strange.Sometimes not only I find funny things silly,but also,serious things silly.As for the debate,better funny than serious.....Have you noticed that it is the serious comments that sometimes bring us a step away from hate?
The most obvious proof I see is that the two sides in here, objectivitists and subjectivitists are very different kind of people, with quite different behaviour as well
Maybe we also listen differently, and maybe even have different hearing
more anecdotal
I saw a test with very different kinds of people, scientists and artists etc
In some of the tests they visually turned everything upside down, and the female artist without any education unexpectedly coped much better than the others
Maybe we just have to accept we are not exactly alike, and that our brain does not function the same way for all of us
Maybe we also listen differently, and maybe even have different hearing
more anecdotal
I saw a test with very different kinds of people, scientists and artists etc
In some of the tests they visually turned everything upside down, and the female artist without any education unexpectedly coped much better than the others
Maybe we just have to accept we are not exactly alike, and that our brain does not function the same way for all of us
Folks
A friend of mine asked me to post here an article about speaker cables that may be of interest to some of you.
The idea is not to create (even) more controversy on the subject, but rather show what other professionals do/did on their quest for reasonable explanations.
I have not read this thread (and have no intentions to do so in the near future).
Sorry if this paper has already been mentioned herein.
Enjoy it!
IOA_Speaker Cables II
A friend of mine asked me to post here an article about speaker cables that may be of interest to some of you.
The idea is not to create (even) more controversy on the subject, but rather show what other professionals do/did on their quest for reasonable explanations.
I have not read this thread (and have no intentions to do so in the near future).
Sorry if this paper has already been mentioned herein.
Enjoy it!
IOA_Speaker Cables II
I'm sorry, but i really dont want t read the entire post, i just want to give you my opinion.
I talked about this subject with my brother, who is a rocket scientist. And there is truly a point of diminishing returns in cables. Above a certain price range\cable quality, the improvements are measurable and real - but not in these applications.
All the fancy words and properties that cable producers brag about is actually true in most cases, otherwise they would violate the marketing law. But most of these properties is only an issue when dealing with really small and delicate signals, f.ex in rocket science. Far, far more delicate than anything that has to do with reproducing sound.
At a certain price range the cable has all the properties that is relevant to the application. I really doubt that this price range exceeds maybe 50-100 dollars per metre(at maximum, probably less).
I talked about this subject with my brother, who is a rocket scientist. And there is truly a point of diminishing returns in cables. Above a certain price range\cable quality, the improvements are measurable and real - but not in these applications.
All the fancy words and properties that cable producers brag about is actually true in most cases, otherwise they would violate the marketing law. But most of these properties is only an issue when dealing with really small and delicate signals, f.ex in rocket science. Far, far more delicate than anything that has to do with reproducing sound.
At a certain price range the cable has all the properties that is relevant to the application. I really doubt that this price range exceeds maybe 50-100 dollars per metre(at maximum, probably less).
Back to the winetasting comparison, one thing to remember is that people who taste wine for a living practice a great deal, study all they can and participate in DBTs often and on a regular a basis. I've never met or heard of anyone who does this with audio equipment. When Michael Fremer accepted the Randi challenge on the condition that he be able to practice and compare at length before the trial, Randi became nervous and naturally pulled the plug. One of the keys to designing a cable test that practically guarantees a null result is to disallow preparation or familiarization beforehand.
John
dudaindc said:
dudaindc, thanks to you and your friend, I've just looked through it quickly and have seen some interesting measurements. I will definitely go through it more thoroughly.
John, nothing stops anyone from practicing blind listening comparisons except closed-mindedness, indolence, ignorance, arrogance, and sheer cussedness.
I can't think of any DBT results in the literature that show the participants were allowed to familiarize themselves at length with the system under test.
Not true. It has to do with economics and the sheer amount of time necessary. It's just not as easy as picking up a glass from a row of poured wine and taking a sip.
John
Not true. It has to do with economics and the sheer amount of time necessary. It's just not as easy as picking up a glass from a row of poured wine and taking a sip.
John
SY said:
Do you think that someone who's working 8-10 hours a day and likes music will ever waste his free time to do that?
jlsem said:
Ignorance.
Panicos K said:
Do you think that someone who's working 8-10 hours a day and likes music will ever waste his free time to do that?
Indolence.
Say, where's Frank? I need some Sheer Cussedness to complete the Trifecta.
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