panomaniac said:
Fire away, I suggest we keep it as simple as possible though, I don't have that much motivation to spend hours to set up test equipment, do measurements and repeat it for at least 100 times to get a statistically valid result. Blind testing is quite tiring and I get bored by doing the same thing over and over very quickly.
Andre Visser said:
Yes I do if there is nothing amiss with your system.
Big differences then?
That is a remarkable claim, are you sure there is nothing amiss with the system?
Andre Visser said:
I'd love to see this thoroughly tested with the results you claim. It would be great to be proven wrong and find more performance in my system beyond emotion.
I've been proven wrong many times in life and have learned a lot in my tenure. I learned there's no Santa Claus, no Easter bunny, no alien made crop circles, no Coriolis effect (I just got back from Fiji south of the equator and the water spins however it wants), no Bigfoots running around, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
It takes a little shine off reality understanding there's no magic and Chris Angel can't walk on water. But if supernatural phenomena is ever proven and can be demonstrated with significant repeatability, I'll be the first to concede to being wrong.
But for now, I think good quality cables on a good quality system sound the same as mega-buck, mega-hype cables.
Thanks,
Paul
fredex said:
It will depend on the cables tested, with some the difference is small, with other it can be easilly noticed.
fredex said:
Well I'm using a Marantz CDP feeding a pre-amp with 47K input impedance, I don't regard the cables as a 'strange' design also. Everything measures good with no sign of oscilations.
Panicos K said:
This is exactly the kind of claim that makes me reject most of the hyper claims. R,L and C interaction with speakers and amps are credible claims, but if any system sounds different in another room ( and it most probably will ), but if this is because of a cable, then I'd seriously question the whole system!
and on another foot - BTW - what's so dangerous in being proven wrong from time to time? How on this earth do you people earn your living, and never being proven wrong??
DCPreamp said:
A good cable is one that you are happy with on your system, forget about prices and hype, sometimes it has little or no relevance on SQ.
Andre Visser said:
From what you have posted it is very tempting to conclude that you do actually have extraordinary hearing abilities. But I think DCPreamp's earlier post is even more tempting. 🙂
AuroraB said:
Sorry,that is not what I meant.What I meant is that in our room where we have tested our cables it will be easier to detect differences because removing our cable immidiately we remove what we have liked choosing it,so the other cable will be easier to identify.In a totally different room where the system will sound different even with our cable,it is like trying to detect differences in an uknown system in an uknown room using uknown cables,even recordings.I haven't said that the system in another room will sound different because of the cable.I don't see anything dangerous in being proven wrong from time to time.I have been proven wrong many times and survived.As for how I earn my living?With a lot of good work🙂 You?
A small observation from reality.
A friend worked for a while as a seller in a HIFI shop.
It was fun to check out their super expensive speaker cables. The banana plugs were so worn that they were loose and the contact plating were partly gone, all due to lots of demo use. Yet the customers made their choice based on the sound of these $$$$ cables.
When customers arrived for spaker and/or cable demo I could barley remain in the room, ashamed of my precense.
I felt so sorry for the customers not knowing better.
A friend worked for a while as a seller in a HIFI shop.
It was fun to check out their super expensive speaker cables. The banana plugs were so worn that they were loose and the contact plating were partly gone, all due to lots of demo use. Yet the customers made their choice based on the sound of these $$$$ cables.
When customers arrived for spaker and/or cable demo I could barley remain in the room, ashamed of my precense.
I felt so sorry for the customers not knowing better.
Good for you.A salesman has to respect his customer's money as if it was his money,even if his customer is paying one,or 2000 $.
fredex said:
Perhaps it is rather a matter of how you listen, not "extraordinary hearing abilities".
I'm not here to try and convince you of anything, I'm hoping to find answers that explain what I and others hear and hopefully learn something.
Basicly there are two things we store in memory
One is pictures
The other is emotions
we dont store sound as such
But a real important thing we store is imformation needed for recognition
I believe its important to differ between memory and recognition
One is pictures
The other is emotions
we dont store sound as such
But a real important thing we store is imformation needed for recognition
I believe its important to differ between memory and recognition
Cal Weldon said:
I believe cogniton is about emotions triggered by certain memories
Recognition is a memory function, yes
Its like a computer link to a site
Try to imagine anything, a fishrod, speaker or a person
Im sure you get a fine picture in your mind
Then try and imagine a sound
You dont hear much, or probably nothing, right
Thats why the recognition is needed
Its one of the first abilities we get from birth
Animals even more so
Its a basic instinct needed for survival
Well, I suppose its a fact that some people have preserved better instincts than others
Our instincts have degraded because they are not so important in modern life
But with training we can devellop specialised instincts for certain things we need
But some are better at it than others
That is interesting.
After having listened to my system for a year, then crossing to europe to check with friends, I am not able to say how their system - speakers mainly - varies from mine.
All I can address is the the present speaker and what I like/do not like.
Humans are able to distinguish voices and even retain memory as to which voice belongs to whom, that's what happens when you evolve as a social animal.
To by memory distinguish between sonic differences of equipment - I like that claim to be shown valid.
Bragging doesn't count, evidence does.
BTW - yours is an extraordinary claim not supported by any studies. So - it requires extraordinary evidence.
Andre Visser said:
Andre, I can only go on what you post, "...I'm quite sure that I will still be able to identify the four different IC's that I've tested about two years ago purely by remembering their sonic qualities...". If you have learnt how to do this, I still think it is an extraordinary ability.
Guys, you gotta get real.
The difference between cables, is at the most extreme, a roll-off in the very high end of the spectrum.
Now reality is that very few are able to hear much above 17-18KHz after the age of 25.
At the age of 50, it's way worse in most people's case.
If a teenager whom has not messed up his hearing already by abuse, would be used for such a test, then just maybe it could be possible to take cables of different LCR properties, and have an outcome of a test, that shows a positive difference.
Any person over the age of 25 that can hear anything but gross malfunction, of a quite long, and very bad constructed cable, would be out of the ordinary.
Let alone two cables of identical LCR properties.
Magura 🙂
The difference between cables, is at the most extreme, a roll-off in the very high end of the spectrum.
Now reality is that very few are able to hear much above 17-18KHz after the age of 25.
At the age of 50, it's way worse in most people's case.
If a teenager whom has not messed up his hearing already by abuse, would be used for such a test, then just maybe it could be possible to take cables of different LCR properties, and have an outcome of a test, that shows a positive difference.
Any person over the age of 25 that can hear anything but gross malfunction, of a quite long, and very bad constructed cable, would be out of the ordinary.
Let alone two cables of identical LCR properties.
Magura 🙂
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