SY said:You do not need a switching box unless you require near-instant changeovers. But the protocols have to control for non-auditory cuing.
That's understandable and we all agree.But still,do you have any picture of such a box inaction?It would be interresting for all to see through which thing,some have failed to detect differences.Was it really "one more connection"?I believe not.
No, I haven't heard any differences between decent speaker cables in open tests, so I haven't built a box to do automatic switching. I'm sure you can find examples if you search around, and you'll also find examples where the magic-cable-difference advocate claimed to be able to hear the differences with the test setup before the test was blinded.
SY said:
30 years of null results.
30 years is a long time indeed.But do we know how many tests have meen done during these 30 years?Surely at least one🙂 but how many?Do we know if the listeners were(all) able to tell differences?Were the systems(all)able to show differences,especially at the two frequency extremes?Seriously,I consider the chosen system as the number one factor to a proper test,not a "proper"test.As for the room,no comments,very few of us have a proper one.
SY said:No, I haven't heard any differences between decent speaker cables in open tests, so I haven't built a box to do automatic switching. I'm sure you can find examples if you search around, and you'll also find examples where the magic-cable-difference advocate claimed to be able to hear the differences with the test setup before the test was blinded.
OK,does any one has a picture of such a box to show us?Has any one seen one inside so he can describe what he has seen inside?
Panicos K said:
OK,does any one has a picture of such a box to show us?Has any one seen one inside so he can describe what he has seen inside?
here
But this has all been done to death many years ago ....
Store bought remote controlled version so you don't even have to move out of the sweet spot.
Remote Switcher
I am sure there are a bunch but that is the last commercial one I remember seeing.
Remote Switcher
I am sure there are a bunch but that is the last commercial one I remember seeing.
Panicos K said:[snip]Seriously,I consider the chosen system as the number one factor to a proper test,not a "proper"test.[snip]
Do you mean that on some systems you can hear the differences between cables, and on some systems you can not?
jd
janneman said:
Do you mean that on some systems you can hear the differences between cables, and on some systems you can not?
jd
I mean that a wide bandwidth system(especially speakers) can reveal differences at the two frequency extremes,with greater ease than a small speaker,especially when differences are close to the frequency extremes.You can't detect differences in low bass for example with a speaker that can't go that low,no matter how good this speaker may be in the rest of the fr.response.It is also a fact that having wider bandwidth,mid range also is more correct and more revealing.
is it?Panicos K said:It is also a fact that having wider bandwidth,mid range also is more correct and more revealing.
AndrewT said:is it?
IMO it is.Very few small speakers manage to have correct mids despite the absence of bass power and extension.BBC LS3/5a is one of them,and some Harbeths,Spendors,Proac and older Rogers,all masters of that kind of small speaker design,although there must be others too.
SY said:No, what I'm saying is that when signal path A has 100 contacts and signal path B has 101, the assertion that all of the differences were buried because of the difference between those two numbers is... extraordinary.
Kind of reminds me of Peter Moncrief writing about Wonder Solder back in the 80s and how the sound improved dramatically after reflowing just ONE solder joint with Wonder Solder. 😀
se
There have been a lot of misguiding through the last 20years
Which equals todays opinion that big film resistors for crossover are special
To my ears the old "cement" still sounds better, or the same, despite the small induction
Whats there to say, other than most prefer "advanced" technology
One of those things when "believing" is a point of no return
Which equals todays opinion that big film resistors for crossover are special
To my ears the old "cement" still sounds better, or the same, despite the small induction
Whats there to say, other than most prefer "advanced" technology
One of those things when "believing" is a point of no return
Wonder solder,silver solders and other "special"solders like Cardas etc...are used extensively by many diyers I know in this and other forums.Is it bad?If anything most of these solders are much more workable by many 60/40 or 70/30 that I know.Or is their price the issue that causes that beautiful smile again? 😀
Panicos K said:Wonder solder,
As I said with the wire, was Wonder solder custom from spot metal and unique flux on up ???? Right.
tinitus said:
Whats there to say, other than most prefer "advanced" technology
One of those things when "believing" is a point of no return
I know of many stubborn believers who are still using tubes and turntables,and do not prefer or willing to go back to "advanced technology"

scott wurcer said:
As I said with the wire, was Wonder solder custom from spot metal and unique flux on up ???? Right.
Sorry,I'm not sure if I understand well what you mean.Don't forget,that some of us out here,sometimes need to struggle with the wording of the English language.🙂
Panicos K said:
I know of many stubborn believers who are still using tubes and turntables,and do not prefer or willing to go back to "advanced technology"![]()
I have struggled half a lifetime with phono amps and bent needles
I ended with a diy air supported tangential arm
I remember the struggle
And realised I didnt have the money needed
Sometimes I miss all fiddling though
I have no idea why people think its so special
Sounds more like a myth to me
Next step for me is harddisc
Its my experience that "digital" sound is more related to the speakers not being good enough
Seems to me that many vinyl lovers also are fullrange fans
And I can imagine that a digital source sounds pretty awfull through an 8" fullrange in a horn
Hell, even many SS amps will
Never heard a fullrange sound any good with other than tube amps
tinitus said:
Its my experience that "digital" sound is more related to the speakers not being good enough
Or too good.
Panicos K said:
Or too good.
Nope

Thats another myth😉
I will say it like this
A 50% crappy speaker improved by 30% is 80% crappy
The last needed 20% to get it right is difficult
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