There's something wrong with your equipment if a piece of cable makes an audible difference.
Best, Markus
No Markus, its clear! You and I have just gotten it all wrong these last 40 years. I don't know how we missed it, but clearly the consensus is that what we hear is different from what others hear. I just thank God that I DON'T hear that stuff, because I can barely afford good speakers, I'd be lost if I had to buy all that other stuff as well. WHEW!!!
If you have good amps the rest matters much less 🙂 consider that EVERYTHING in your setup is connected to your amps....and thats a fact
This is provisional pending further investigation and independent confirmation, but the names of neither Earl or Markus appear in Algar_emi's post, leading me to start with the working theory it wasn't about them. Input invited.
I agree there might be areas where the equipment on which the power cord is changed can use some improvement. However, the important thing is matching. Someone did try to stick one of those cables into an NCD amp I had (I think it was the Ruby Diamond? really can't remember those funny names), The dynamics went away, and the whole thing was intolerable, it only stayed in there for 30 seconds. The issue is the transformer. I was using an O-core transformer that seemed to have lower impedance. If I used the other R-core transformer that I had, probably there would be an improvement.
In the process of trying to let a small chip amp meet EMI/EMC standards, I had to help investigate various solutions where filter design made quite a significant impact on sound, and if the equipment internal ground corrections are done right, this difference is even more pronounced.
One thing I am discovering, as I find design improvements implemented, I tend to move to cheaper cables.😉
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Yes, if one doesn't hear cabling differences then of course nobody else must be able hear it either, and the best way to deal with those that don't hear what they think they hear is to be arrogantly derisive and condescending towards them for their obvious wrong-headedness. Low-fi low-resolution system I don't hear cabling differences anyone?
I think for some people music is just highs, lows, notes, rhythm - fair enough. To really hear and appreciate soundstage width and depth, air around performers, length and quality of reverb tails, micro detail, etc is an experience that some folk just don't get.
Note I'm not saying it is better - just different. In the same way as wine appreciation differs - some would say all red wines taste the same.
For me - I hear and enjoy these things. And my cables made a difference (blinded), though not huge. I do balk at the sums of money involved though, and some of the wording used. eg Speed and rhythm? How can a cable affect these? Perhaps there is a subjective impression of these based on a certain type of micro-detail in the sound which is preserved by some cables.
And soundstage outside the stereo field. Why is this good and not just an audio artifact? Dpes seem to happen though and in my experience is very amplifier dependant.
I'm kind of out of the debate now - I made good woven silver in tefon cables, didn't cost too much. I now have no reason to worry because if they make no difference then at least I haven't lost out. I can just enjoy my music.
Note I'm not saying it is better - just different. In the same way as wine appreciation differs - some would say all red wines taste the same.
For me - I hear and enjoy these things. And my cables made a difference (blinded), though not huge. I do balk at the sums of money involved though, and some of the wording used. eg Speed and rhythm? How can a cable affect these? Perhaps there is a subjective impression of these based on a certain type of micro-detail in the sound which is preserved by some cables.
And soundstage outside the stereo field. Why is this good and not just an audio artifact? Dpes seem to happen though and in my experience is very amplifier dependant.
I'm kind of out of the debate now - I made good woven silver in tefon cables, didn't cost too much. I now have no reason to worry because if they make no difference then at least I haven't lost out. I can just enjoy my music.
i have not followed this thread, so i don't know if the video and test was mentioned already, but here it goes :
the video is in german.
The comparison is between two cables, one 2 euros per meter, the other almost 2000 euros per meter. In the labor, no measuring differences.
And blind listening tests reveal the same thing. There was no difference perceiveable.
YouTube - Galileo: Die größten Technik Irrtümer (Platz 6 bis 4)
the video is in german.
The comparison is between two cables, one 2 euros per meter, the other almost 2000 euros per meter. In the labor, no measuring differences.
And blind listening tests reveal the same thing. There was no difference perceiveable.
YouTube - Galileo: Die größten Technik Irrtümer (Platz 6 bis 4)
Many measurements are set up to measure the device only, and not whether it effects the system or not. This is due to misunderstanding of how different cables might effect sound.
You mean there was no difference PERCEIVED. This was a crude test on a system which did not look like it would be particularly revealing of soundstage, dynamics, etc.
Having said that, the price difference is outrageous. Yet how many of us would spend a bit more than rock-bottom for something gold-plated (not for its sonic properties but for its resistance to corrosion, and malleability - resuting in better contact area); better made (solder joints, connector locking); and at least some attempt at designing in RFI rejection?
Of course it was, as it was about all with the temerity to think they might hear a cable difference. Earl's implication was 'we' have him or markus in mind when listening to music, a common straw man and one worth exposing. Again.
Heh, It seems more realistic to accept the fact that whether differences can be heard depends on certain circumstances. When differences are heard, it would be more productive to find out if there are certain system configurations that make this more audible, and whether the true reason for such difference can be discovered.
lol - so, EXACTLY what faults are there with the system that would invalidate this test?
I guess this exemplifies the subjectivist approach - everything's performance depends on what it looks like...
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Cables makes huge difference when you remove a defectice one
and install a non defective one in place,
Carlos
and install a non defective one in place,
Carlos
Glad to bring a little LOL to the world!
The youtube looks like a home-theatre shop demo room. The room did not look optimised for listening - for example there were other loudspeakers present which would affect the sound.
And, hey, the listening part of the test was subjective. So if you scorn "subjectivism" how can you possibly accept this? Just read the specifications on the box - they are all you need to tell you how good your hifi components are!
Hi Panicos K
Are you still working on your promise?
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/mult...ke-difference-any-input-1256.html#post2125780
Best, Markus
Why do people insist on using dbt'ing to make broad statements that the test could never encompass? Some can hear "it" and some cannot or will not. If you use a nice system and listen to silver cables for a few weeks ans then switch to copper and you cant hear a difference than you may want to find another hobby or just admit building is more important than the listening part.
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