I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

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planet10 said:
Fortuitously, just after posting that, someone on another thread posted a link to this paper on phase distortion, which has the most succinct blurb on ABX i have seen yet....

Hence using an ABX to assert that 2 DUT do not sound different would be a subversion.

dave
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Sigh, yes.. the usual ruse that those making "extraordinary claims" need not demonstrate their validity... thus it is incumbant on the skeptics to demonstrate the "untruths" which as is true, one cannot statistically prove a negative...

But again, those with transcendant knowledge will see this for what it is...

John L.
 
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boconnor said:
I thinking of making some good money from this audio cable caper. Here’s the plan:

I’ll buy some really cheap but technically okay cable at say one dollar per metre (wholesale). Then cover it in a really flash looking plastic cover and put some really nice lettering on it, with gold RCA connectors at either end (of course). There will be two models, but the only change will be in the name of the cable, the cable itself will remain the same. The model names will be something that invokes a warm feeling in people, like mythological names. I’m thinking of “Valhalla” and “Euphoria”.

Of course I will charge a premium for my cables. I'm thinking around $100 per metre for Valhalla and $300 per metre for Euphoria. Euphoria is the “premium” model and Valhalla is for those who are more budget conscious about their cables.

Next I’ll place whole page, professionally created, full colour ads in a range of audio magazines. I'm thinking about magazines like The Absolute Sound or Stereophile. The ads will make claims about how much better these cables are and that they have been specially designed to bring out the real nuance, imaging and depths of the audio sound field.

I will give free samples to all the subjective reviewers that write for those types of magazines. I will also give the cables out to anyone I know who believes that there is a difference in cables and who are more than happy to do fully sighted tests to see if my cables sound better than other cables.

I will probably get lucky and at least one of the reviewers who do fully sighted tests will discover that my cable does indeed improve the sound of their system. If I'm very lucky they will write comments such as “switching between the Euphoria and the Valhalla I was struck by the increase in the depth of the sound stage and an audible improvement in the shimmer of strings and vocals”.

Now I can run more ads quoting the review in all the magazines and also quoting those people who also did sighted tests who similarly wax lyrical about how the cables are making such a difference to their system.

Now I contact a range of audio dealers, specialist dealers, to get placement of my cables on their shelves. Of course I give them free samples of my cables so that they can go home and do as many sighted test as they desire. I'm fairly sure that they will indicate that the cables make improvements, particularly the more expensive Euphoria model.

I give very generous discounts to the audio stores so that they have a really nice margin on sale of my cables. After all, it's only costing me two dollars max per metre to manufacture them so I can afford to cut a bit of slack to the dealers.

So those people who love music and want to improve their hi-fi set up, but don't have a lot of experience or technical knowledge, might see my ads and read the subjective reviews and visit the audio store and be told by the salesman something like “Look, I took these home to my own set up and I can tell you they really make a difference particularly the Euphoria model, but if your budget only extends so far I would certainly get the Valhalla model - it'll make a big improvement."
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There's one detail you missed in your otherwise excellent business plan. You have to draw arrows on the Euphoria cables, as a preferential connection direction. Together with a blurb regarding "cryogenic directional recrystallization process" will certainly improve the Euphoria cables rating.

And make allies in the market space, by recommending some exotic wooden cable suspension blocks (avoiding the earth magnetic ground loops) and some ByBee devices to cancel the last residues of noise and get the deafening dark sound of silence.
 
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syn08 said:
There's one detail you missed in your otherwise excellent business plan. You have to draw arrows on the Euphoria cables, as a preferential connection direction. Together with a blurb regarding "cryogenic directional recrystallization process" will certainly improve the Euphoria cables rating.

And make allies in the market space, by recommending some exotic wooden cable suspension blocks (avoiding the earth magnetic ground loops) and some ByBee devices to cancel the last residues of noise and get the deafening dark sound of silence.
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Thanks for the heads up on the very latest in cable technology. I'll certainly incorporate your suggestions in the "Mark II" version. May have to up the price per meter though - after all, it will be an all new, improved version of the Euphoria.:spin:
 
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syn08 said:
Whatever way I am looking at, this is ad hominem due to lack of any reasonable arguments. Therefore, the <little flag> applies 😀 And yes, you do mind, otherwise you wouldn't bother to reply with such 😀
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Maybe this will help. Pointing out you miss the point isn't the same as saying, as a hypothetical, that you're wrong because you're a big dumb poopy head. Unless you're omniscient? Do you consider yourself omniscient? Or was it the "Mr. Nye" thing?

fredex said:
As stated Group A sounds cool and the one to belong to...
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Fredex, don't take this personally but, speaking on my own account alone, you're not important to my listening in any sense. Not. One. Bit. Be cool or not, it makes no difference to me so you can let go the notion that my perceptions depend on your opinion.

planet10 said:
Sean Olive did some good work. What he has put up on the web is but a small subset of what is in Toole's book, and one really needs to read Toole's book to get the whole picture.
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Sean Olive did structured cable listening tests? I can't find them. Don't even get me started on Nousaine's PCABX.
 
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boconnor said:
I thinking of making some good money from this audio cable caper. Here’s the plan:

I’ll buy some really cheap but technically okay cable at say one dollar per metre (wholesale). Then cover it in a really flash looking plastic cover and put some really nice lettering on it, with gold RCA connectors at either end (of course). There will be two models, but the only change will be in the name of the cable, the cable itself will remain the same. The model names will be something that invokes a warm feeling in people, like mythological names. I’m thinking of “Valhalla” and “Euphoria”.

Of course I will charge a premium for my cables. I'm thinking around $100 per metre for Valhalla and $300 per metre for Euphoria. Euphoria is the “premium” model and Valhalla is for those who are more budget conscious about their cables.
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It's a good plan, but lacking several paramount features. To compete with the best you must apply at least one, ideally more of the following:
* inverse digital tempering and cryogenic processing (several trips to the hot bath and freezer required)
* anti-capacitive flax oil impregnated hemp sheath insulation
* cosmic background radiation shield (coating with proprietary varnishes, not excluding ingredients such as whale sweat gland extract, carbon nanotube powder, salt)

Of course, at an extra charge, you must offer the pre-break-in option done with small signals over a long period of time (preferably 3-5 years), in unison with miso fermentation. Evidently it cannot be properly done at home.

If you don't hire PhDs to do the necessary manual assembly and otherwise needed complex procedures, you will lose face.

I could go on, but hey, I don't want to make it too easy for the you-know-who plagiarists of the far end of the world. 😉
 
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scott wurcer said:
This thread and others like it go round and round. I have friends that love music and use B&W 801's and others that have Magnepans or Quads and I can't imagine a cable or electronics that would make these sound even remotely the "same". So what is the point?
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It is just a place to hang out with some really nice people, some of whom <pc> have an interesting take on things </pc>.
 
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