analog_sa said:
You didn't get it.
45 years of a dozen different amplifiers (first one was an Avantic Beam Echo), speakers (Quad, Spendor, B&W etc etc) and I have NEVER heard any difference in cables in direct comparison.
I have always used sensibly made coax and gutsy speaker pairs and made sure contacts were clean. I gave up looking for differences over 10 years ago.
I am sorry you are still stuck in a rut chasing rainbows! I hope you get over it soon and start appreciating what is important - the music.
I have the Amadaus playing a Hyden quartet on DG Vinyl at the moment. I am not in my chair with my ears laser aligned the "hot-spot", but the sound is sublime.
True gentlemen would agree to disagree and leave it at that. Why is it the internet allows us to believe our opinion is now superior to others. I do not believe for a moment that any one in this thread would discuss this issue in person they way they do here.
On top of that, cables are so far down the list of things to concern yourself with, isn't there a thread in these forums that piques your interests a little more?
Just wondering.
On top of that, cables are so far down the list of things to concern yourself with, isn't there a thread in these forums that piques your interests a little more?
Just wondering.
I think cables make a huge difference. Whenever I remove the cables from my system, even my half-deaf aunt can hear the difference.
Just having a little fun going into the holiday weekend. 😉
Just having a little fun going into the holiday weekend. 😉
If amps are good
If speakers are good
Then cables matters little
Sure, they make a difference, but not important
Though I beleive special cables may be used to change sound, if amps and speakers dont match or work properly
Sure, cables are different
Good amps, and speaker design/crossovers is what matters
If speakers are good
Then cables matters little
Sure, they make a difference, but not important
Though I beleive special cables may be used to change sound, if amps and speakers dont match or work properly
Sure, cables are different
Good amps, and speaker design/crossovers is what matters
cliffforrest said:
Ouch, major hit to your point and not on account of the vinyl. Was there ever a recorded sound as antithetical to that of real instruments in real spaces as the DG house sound? They almost single-handedly destoyed the commercial classical market to my mind. Audio anathema.
cliffforrest said:
Would you care to share the specifics of these "direct comparisons"? Multistrand, solidcore, silver, dielectrics, geometry? Or were you too preoccupied with the music to pay attention? Again, this is not a music appreciation thread but one about cables.
cliffforrest said:
Should i buy a boombox and give up on any higher form of audio? Or is it just cables i should specifically ignore? How about capacitors?
rdf said:
Yes, but that happened mostly in the seventies and after. I have a few DGs from happier times which are quite enjoyable even if not particularly realistic.
analog_sa said:
Silly childish remarks!
Thread: I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?
That was my input.
Cal Weldon said:
It is, I think, totally due to the internet offering a 'masked ball' atmosphere.
Unless you use your real name and you are well known in the particular field, you can say absolutely anything you want to say. You can lie in your teeth, you can troll, flame etc. The possibility of black becoming white is immediately possible.
BUT the most important reason is that you don't risk a smack in the mouth if you go beyond the normal levels of civilized behavior.😀
In addition to reaction against the ever increasing pressure of political correctness being forced upon us I believe that the following also has a part to play:
There is of course the paranoid introvert - the type who is weak, walked over by colleagues, wife, children etc, is seething with hidden resentment. The internet provides a substitute for being masterful in real life....given some of this type of courage there is no accounting for the depths to which some people will sink. We have had a good example of that recently where a well known designer was 'given the treatment'; he played the part and reacted to that which he perhaps should have ignored.
I always doubt the truth of over forcefully expressed opinions. The old saying " he had an idea of everything and a thought on nothing" still holds true.
Having been heavily involved in the making and testing of cables which eventually went into production and became very highly thought of, and having heard the various prototypes at all stages I have to say that for me there are vast differences between cables. The best test is to fit a change of speaker cables into a system, then interconnects, then source to preamp. Listen to a variety of music at each stage. It dosent matter whether you like the change of listening experience or not. Then replace the original cables en mass as it were. Listen again. Then you will hear a difference. The only reason why you will not hear a difference can only be put down to bloody mindedness!
The saving grace for this Forum is that there is a great number of highly experienced members who give freely of their time and patience specifically helping total beginners, there is also an opportunity for these members to exchange ideas and experience at as high a level or as low a level as required. I have learned a lot simply by 'lurking'. There are a few, very few, who are mean spirited, abrasive and, to a degree, vicious - yet clever enough to avoid the Sin-Bin. They do sour things quickly.
As I, too, am now 67 ( 😱 ) I learn slowly but non the less enjoy that experience and find it beneficial. I like a good witticism but abhor direct rudeness, those who keep on and on annoying with - and thereby arresting progress of good threads - those of real experience.
My main interest is salmon fly fishing, and the web forums devoted to that activity very seldom have bad feeling expressed. But I suppose that fishing is a sport rather than a science.
brianco said:
Mine is more of the downrigger and planer style trolling but I do appreciate all sides of that coin (fly fishing I relate to lake trout) and knew we could find a topic that was agreeable and steered us away from the cable part of this cable thread.
Oops, bad moderator. 😎
brianco said:
Ha ha, thanks for that. I love the 'arguments' more for the illustration of human nature, all too often the arguments themselves are boring and repetitive.
Would like to point out tho that no one really disputes that cables can affect the sound, after all they can have very different parameters. But equally that does not...or realistically should not..open the door to the charlatans claiming new discoveries in physics.
You wanna futz around the edges chasing improvements via cables? go ahead and with my blessing. But I would love to see the context within which all these cable chasers are operating, usually it is chasing tenth order effects whilst first order problems have not been addressed in the slightest.
That would be particularly true on say a forum like stereophile, where science is often absolutely abhorred. 'Show us your measurements, and post pics of your room' would be met with howls of outrage and snorts of derision 'measurements mean nothing, I use my ears'.
Would a similar reaction occur here?? I tend to think not, and certainly hope not. We at least believe a little in the value of measurements yeah?
So it would be very illuminating to see those sorts of things. To me, if you have NOT yet gotten the big things done right, why would you waste time, money and effort chasing the minutiae??
I only mentioned the forum.rdf said:
Rants and Raves subforum
I have posted many times that I find the Stereophile measurements to be excellent and probably the best. Some of the Soundstage stuff is very good too.
Brett [/i]So said:
Dunno about better or not (I mean I don't know), but yeah it then makes you wonder about why the most vocal subjectivists there so vehemently eschew measurements??
And good luck trying to get them even list their systems, let alone show pics etc. Yet evidently they are so revealing that every Peter Belt tweak yields massive improvements.
terry j said:
But they sure don't eschew other "numbers."
Have to use this or that dielectric because it has the lowest dielectric constant. Gotta use this or that conductor because it's got the highest conductivity, and/or the highest purity, and/or the fewest crystals, etc.
Personally I don't consider these people to be subjectivists, and I've found that there really aren't many true subjectivists out there.
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