Re: Re: Cape Town Challenge
who knows, with the right combination of wires you can even have GMR or tunnel magnetoresistance 😀 that would make for a nasty feedback loop in wires close to the voicecoil. strong field lowers the resistance, thereby increasing the field until the input signal drops. hmm.. that would increase dynamic range! don't belive them when they say it only happens in the lab with well controlled conditions and materials. i say it's possible with strands of nickel and copper! prove it isn't 🙂
Dynsdale said:
who knows, with the right combination of wires you can even have GMR or tunnel magnetoresistance 😀 that would make for a nasty feedback loop in wires close to the voicecoil. strong field lowers the resistance, thereby increasing the field until the input signal drops. hmm.. that would increase dynamic range! don't belive them when they say it only happens in the lab with well controlled conditions and materials. i say it's possible with strands of nickel and copper! prove it isn't 🙂
Re: Wire Wire
Crossovers? ... never seen one! (Use BLHs and let them electrons straight through!)
And gold-plated RCAs??? - well show me the proof that these make any sonic difference. ABX them with non-gold plated, and you'll never waste your hard-earned money on that esoteric yellow metal again. Just because it costs more doesn't mean it's better you know!
😉
ronzeman said:
Crossovers? ... never seen one! (Use BLHs and let them electrons straight through!)
And gold-plated RCAs??? - well show me the proof that these make any sonic difference. ABX them with non-gold plated, and you'll never waste your hard-earned money on that esoteric yellow metal again. Just because it costs more doesn't mean it's better you know!
😉
Re: Re: Cape Town Challenge
this thread suddenly stopped moving, whoda thunk it eh?
Excellent work guys, first you thrash us in the cricket and then you take the lead in this grrrr
What is this PM malarkey? Thrash out the protocol in an open thread, that way 'we' can all 'agree' beforehand and have the best shot at defusing any potential disagreements/sticking points up front.
Maybe start a new thread, as I 'm sure there would be a lot of people who are not as stupid as we are still following a boring 100 page thread...I mean there is no way I'd bother looking at the beyond ariel thread anymore...imagine similar reasoning applies here. 🙂
this thread suddenly stopped moving, whoda thunk it eh?
Shaun said:
Excellent work guys, first you thrash us in the cricket and then you take the lead in this grrrr
What is this PM malarkey? Thrash out the protocol in an open thread, that way 'we' can all 'agree' beforehand and have the best shot at defusing any potential disagreements/sticking points up front.
Maybe start a new thread, as I 'm sure there would be a lot of people who are not as stupid as we are still following a boring 100 page thread...I mean there is no way I'd bother looking at the beyond ariel thread anymore...imagine similar reasoning applies here. 🙂
Re: Re: Wire Wire
I don't think gold plated conctacts sounds different from nickelplated either.. when new. But I believe that goltplated possibly will be less problematic in 5-10 years due to tarnish and oxides I don't even know what tarnish is but I've seen it mentioned before so I thought I use it to make more of a point.. ;-)
/Peter
Alan Hope said:
I don't think gold plated conctacts sounds different from nickelplated either.. when new. But I believe that goltplated possibly will be less problematic in 5-10 years due to tarnish and oxides I don't even know what tarnish is but I've seen it mentioned before so I thought I use it to make more of a point.. ;-)
/Peter
Hi,
Hi,
Pure silver RCAs is what you want.
Those at least will make a sonic difference if you can keep them from oxidizing long enough....
RCA plugs aren't the greatest connectors anyway.....
Anyone still remembering TWEAK, the contact enhancing fluid?
Or LAST for that matter?
Good sound comes to those paying attention to the smallest details...
Cheers guys, 😉
Hi,
Pure silver RCAs is what you want.
Those at least will make a sonic difference if you can keep them from oxidizing long enough....
RCA plugs aren't the greatest connectors anyway.....
Anyone still remembering TWEAK, the contact enhancing fluid?
Or LAST for that matter?
Good sound comes to those paying attention to the smallest details...
Cheers guys, 😉
Heaven forbid!terry j said:
I'd be interested as to whether anyone, through-out the 5 year/2500+ post history of this thread, has had their minds changed regarding cables. Anyone?
(...wind whistles poetically through mainstreet, dislodging a couple of tumbleweeds which bounce - again poetically - along the dusty roadway...)
I believe it may be more than 30years ago that the good people then began to look at all the cables, me included...I suppose in the beginning it was mostly the speaker cables
Really a lot of peole have spent a great many years trying to figure this out
Its pretty awkward to hear that so many years and so many peoples hard effort has been completely wasted, just like that...and that they all have been fooling themselves all together, all over the world...fore so many years...you cant seriously believe that
But sure mistakes have been made along the way
I am not so much concerned about cables anymore, but I do know what makes a good cable different...and its really cheap 😉
Really a lot of peole have spent a great many years trying to figure this out
Its pretty awkward to hear that so many years and so many peoples hard effort has been completely wasted, just like that...and that they all have been fooling themselves all together, all over the world...fore so many years...you cant seriously believe that
But sure mistakes have been made along the way
I am not so much concerned about cables anymore, but I do know what makes a good cable different...and its really cheap 😉
Actualyl I have been forced to cross over to the dark side. Began experimenting with actual Litz wire, as I use it in expensive audio transformers, and discovered that you can alter the dynamic color of a complex sound field by how much low dielectric constant plastic you apply to the Litz. Figured this would be an extreme situation, what with 140 strands of #40 AWG insulated coil winding wire as the cable and shrink tube as the dielectric (dielectric constant of 2.2 for polyethylene).
By dynamic color I mean those characteristics that apply, to change the sound from a very detailed Brownian noise signal to circus band dynamics, for all the swoops and sweeps that musicians use to provide emphasis and meaning to what they play.
Could never find an objective difference between the two extremes but did find a very happy and neutral balance and have since forgotten about them as they do the same thing every day.
Of course my observations are suspect due to EnABL and ground side electron behavior investigations. Nevertheless, this is what I found.
Bud
By dynamic color I mean those characteristics that apply, to change the sound from a very detailed Brownian noise signal to circus band dynamics, for all the swoops and sweeps that musicians use to provide emphasis and meaning to what they play.
Could never find an objective difference between the two extremes but did find a very happy and neutral balance and have since forgotten about them as they do the same thing every day.
Of course my observations are suspect due to EnABL and ground side electron behavior investigations. Nevertheless, this is what I found.
Bud
tinitus said:I believe it may be more than 30years ago that the good people then began to look at all the cables, me included...I suppose in the beginning it was mostly the speaker cables
Really a lot of peole have spent a great many years trying to figure this out
Its pretty awkward to hear that so many years and so many peoples hard effort has been completely wasted, just like that...and that they all have been fooling themselves all together...you cant seriously believe that
I am not so much concerned about cables anymore, but I do know what makes a good cable different...and its really cheap 😉
Hi,
Looking back I think the progress has been enormous.
Looking back again I also notice a tremendous loss in sound quality in general....
Cheers, 😉
I've followed this thread from post#1
i HAVE changed my mind about interconnect cables but not speaker cables.
With interconnects I'm not going to spend lots of cash anymore in the expectation of improvement, robustness is a different story but I don't often walk on top of my cables except by accident during parties.
Speaker cables mind still same, large and short still rules and so long as total cross sectional area is the same I'll still take multiple strand plaited pairs
i HAVE changed my mind about interconnect cables but not speaker cables.
With interconnects I'm not going to spend lots of cash anymore in the expectation of improvement, robustness is a different story but I don't often walk on top of my cables except by accident during parties.
Speaker cables mind still same, large and short still rules and so long as total cross sectional area is the same I'll still take multiple strand plaited pairs
Panicos K said:
I was there in March and found it very hot!! The food 🙂 Hosts ordered a mezza (sp?) almost every time we went out -- that is just too too much food... the sea, blue and the tourist beach we went to -- all those unfettered mammalian protruberences 🙂
dave
fdegrove said:
I guess you are right
Funny to think about that back then, some 30 years ago I used housing solid core mains wire fore speakers, and didnt know I may have been on to something
Its also strange to remember that I had a pair of renovated Quad II KT66 tubeamps playing on coated Coral Flat 6 and whizzers removed, and with a planar tweeters on top, mounted in my own small horns...pretty good, now I think of it
It was special in many ways, and probably much better than I realized, untill the tubes blew...but still, I think I have pretty good sound today too, ...but seems like I am still searching, maybe it would make sense to look back...well, maybe some day, when I get tired of all this stuff
But it makes me pretty sad to think of all the good stuff I have "lost", and would like to own today
fdegrove said:
Are you serious?? (serious question, not bagging you)
You mean literally that you feel the sound of the 'best' system of the 70's is as good as the 'best' system today? (best of course in quotation marks)
If so, in what way.
Or maybe your 30 yr old aural memory is leading you astray, or you are mixing your emotional reaction then to now, we all grow older and more cynical...or at the very least we have to be cynical after 100 pages of this arrgghh!
your ears as good now as then? are you mixing the (often) bad recordings today with the reproduction?
Or, do you mean it literally.
Come on guys, show of hands that would be interested (if feasible, bit hard for me to get to cyprus, BUT let's assume for the show of hands I could) in amongst ourselves working out, and carrying out, a test acceptable to both sides.
That will sort the wheat from the chaff, seems we have an inkling already ...........
terry j said:
As good as the best today...well, most certainly not...but probably much better than most of what is used today
It really is nice to see all the enthuastic people in here, doing exactly what some of us did 30 years ago, improving and keeping the good things alive...so it seems some good stuff did happen back then...like the Dynaco stereo 70 I had back then...good stuff even today, and whole companies based on modifying those today...a lot of "good" modern amps wont stand a chance against it...and then theres the real gems and rare stuff only very few of us know about, much of it being the foundation fore the very exciting things happening today 😎
Eva said:
I'm going to have to call BS on that one. You are painting with far too broad a brush. Many of the "audiophiles" I know DO understand circuit level stuff, they can - and have - designed great sounding gear.
The use of Audiophile in the pejorative steams me - I find if offensive. Just because you think of the word that way does NOT define it thus. Many of the smartest, most reasonable people I know are self decribed "audiophiles."
That, however, I will not argue with! 😉
BudP said:
Moondog55 said:
I stand (sit) corrected! Bud, I'm not worried about opinions on other things - I've just seen so many of these threads conducted by posters who never change their opinions that I am pleasantly surprised.
Carry on chaps! And have a cracking New Year (only 10 hours 20 minutes away in this neck of the woods)...
To bring into the discussion some hilarity and diversion, as we are made to witness some conversions...
http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/111272-duplex_ac_recepticals/
I know of no other "reciptical" that one could label "musical...maybe I am groping, mostly in the dark
http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/111272-duplex_ac_recepticals/
I know of no other "reciptical" that one could label "musical...maybe I am groping, mostly in the dark
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