I built a pair of Frugel-Horn Mk3's this fall, using MA CHP-70 drivers. I love them. Great for jazz, folk, etc. Now I'd like to build another set of full-rangers, likely with larger drivers, that would be my "classic rock" speakers. I find myself having to be careful to not over-drive the FH3's, and sometimes I want to crank it up more than I'm comfortable with. I like the idea of staying with a full-range design, as I'm no pro builder and have never built a crossover in my life. The simplicity of the full-range design suits me fine right now.
Any suggestions? For informational purposes, they will be used on a 12x17 dedicated listening room, and driven by an Audio Analogue Puccini SE integrated amp. Source is vinyl only. I have 8' ceilings. And I have corners to work with ... and size doesn't really matter since its a dedicated space (same with the WAF). Attached is a pic of the equipment end of the room, along with the FH3's.
Thanks for your input!
Tom
Any suggestions? For informational purposes, they will be used on a 12x17 dedicated listening room, and driven by an Audio Analogue Puccini SE integrated amp. Source is vinyl only. I have 8' ceilings. And I have corners to work with ... and size doesn't really matter since its a dedicated space (same with the WAF). Attached is a pic of the equipment end of the room, along with the FH3's.
Thanks for your input!
Tom
Check out the WIBAQ thread.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full-range/226767-wibaq-tabaq-design-betsy-k.html#post3313731
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full-range/226767-wibaq-tabaq-design-betsy-k.html#post3313731
A step up would be 8 inch TangBand 1772's in a mass loaded transmission line! Good bass able to "rock the house" on a few good watts! Fairly simple construction, great results and not TOO expensive! I have been enjoying mine for a couple years now running a 5 watt KT88 se amp.
Larry
Larry
I'm going to vouch for the WiBAQ. They are well suited for rock, since their sensitivity means that you are unlikely to overdrive the driver, and the Betsy K provides plenty of bass. The price is also very low and they are easy to build.
I listen to many type of rock with the WiBAQ. From heavier very distorted stuff like The Dead Weather to softer more acoustic music like Arcade Fire. The WiBAQs take it in stride.
I listen to many type of rock with the WiBAQ. From heavier very distorted stuff like The Dead Weather to softer more acoustic music like Arcade Fire. The WiBAQs take it in stride.
I'm not a rocker, but I know for sure that with the right tuning, the 1772 can be a chest-thumper.
Bob
Bob
There is a big price differential between the 1772 and Betsy K (you can get a pair of Betsy K's for one 1772). Both about 95 dB efficient, but with diffferent Qts values. The Betsy K has Qts of 0.46 and Vas of 83 liters, the 1772 has Qts of 0.27and Vas of 95 liters. Which is better for a MLTL?
12-15 inch coax.
I honestly can't see past them anymore for music that is mor complex than just say an acoustic or single instrument composition. Anything like complex orchestral music or heavier electronic or rock just sounds rough and strained through a single full ranger. Big coax speakers blow most things out the waste with dynamic range and coherency IMO.
I honestly can't see past them anymore for music that is mor complex than just say an acoustic or single instrument composition. Anything like complex orchestral music or heavier electronic or rock just sounds rough and strained through a single full ranger. Big coax speakers blow most things out the waste with dynamic range and coherency IMO.
Any specific designs/plans that would not be too difficult to build? I'm not so worried about construction, more about the wiring of the crossover. And cost isn't a major factor, although I'm not interested in Lowther-level prices🙂
Hmmm...
IIRC, Eminence has crossovers and cabinet volumes all done for their coaxial units.
Might be worth a look there.
Bear in mind, though, that their recommended crossovers will try to balance tweeter power handling. In a home situation, I really wouldn't expect that to become a problem, assuming reasonable use of the tweeter.
Chris
IIRC, Eminence has crossovers and cabinet volumes all done for their coaxial units.
Might be worth a look there.
Bear in mind, though, that their recommended crossovers will try to balance tweeter power handling. In a home situation, I really wouldn't expect that to become a problem, assuming reasonable use of the tweeter.
Chris
Most speakers I have heard over the years that were marketed as rock speakers were dependably pretty bad. I suppose an MTM design with quality drivers would be better than most because they move more air while bass remains tight. One of the micro tower designs that feature a pair of CHR70s in each cabinet could qualify as full range rock speakers. Any other thoughts on this.
Yes the TB 1772 is twice the price of the Betsy K. Is it worth the difference? YES! I have both, the Betsy is an excellent driver for the price no question. The TB out performs it by a large margin in a slightly smaller enclosure.
Larry
Larry
Larry,
Can you point me to a link with more info (plans) on the dual 8" Tang Band speaker you're talking about?
Tom
You might want to check out Bob Brines' website - he sells plans (and speakers) for the TB 1772 MLTL. They are fully computer designed of course.
If you haven't seen my thread on 'accidental MLTL design', I have come up (without any modeling, other than a bass reflex calc, so YMMV) a MLTL for the 1772 as: 42 in long x 110 square in cross sectional area with a 4 in dia x 2 in long vent for a fb=50 Hz, mount driver 14 in from top, vent facing direction of your choice near bottom, stuff top 28 in.
If you haven't seen my thread on 'accidental MLTL design', I have come up (without any modeling, other than a bass reflex calc, so YMMV) a MLTL for the 1772 as: 42 in long x 110 square in cross sectional area with a 4 in dia x 2 in long vent for a fb=50 Hz, mount driver 14 in from top, vent facing direction of your choice near bottom, stuff top 28 in.
You might want to also consider a FAST system with a smaller PA type woofer and something sensitive like a Fostex driver. That'll give you the rockin' volume. Those TB's are far too pretty to treat them mean like a little rocker. 🙂
Or:
Maybe one of these
Dayton Audio PA255-8 10" Pro Woofer 295-030
Paired with a couple of these per side might work. Gives you the option of driver placement and no worries about BSC.
Dayton Audio RS100-8 4" Reference Full-Range Driver 295-352
Maybe one of these
Dayton Audio PA255-8 10" Pro Woofer 295-030
Paired with a couple of these per side might work. Gives you the option of driver placement and no worries about BSC.
Dayton Audio RS100-8 4" Reference Full-Range Driver 295-352
I agree with Cal that the 1772 is too pretty to be abused with rocking music. Although 'classic' rock isn't too bad. Best to stay away from expensive girlie man drivers if you want to drive to excursion limit. The PA woofer with a good fullrange FAST is also a great idea.
The thing is, wide-range drivers are about finesse, not power. Basically, hard rockers need not apply. The requirements of the heavy stuff is beyond the capabilities of almost all wide-rangers.
Bob
Bob
If you want to rock & roll, I can recommend the Eminence Beta 10CX with a Selenium DT220 screwed into the back of it. It's what I run in the garage.
You get pro sound SPL as well as the point source advantages. I also use a 12" vented sub.
You can put half a kilowatt into these and get to almost concert level. It Rocks!
You get pro sound SPL as well as the point source advantages. I also use a 12" vented sub.
You can put half a kilowatt into these and get to almost concert level. It Rocks!
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