That could be either a slight difference in upper treble, or the other systems having more harmonic distortion in the upper frequencies.
I haven't noticed IM, and the measurements don't show it being an issue either.
If an amplifier has more harmonic distortion in the upper frequencies, does it sound "more alive"?
Regarding IM distortion, I think it is measured by mixing two frequencies. Does it totally reflect the real life? I witnessed myself that published factory data sometimes does not reflect the real life. When I buy something, I personally trust my own ears rather than the factory data.
We don't have a very good definition for what "more alive" means either, but that is how a sound that has a bit of extra HF distortion is often described, along with "feels closer and more there with you".
Two or more frequencies, but usually two, because adding more frequencies doesn't change the actual result.
Nothing reflects real life *totally*, but it does give a good idea of the amount of IM. Making the test signal more complex doesn't change the measurement result, it just makes the measurement more difficult.
I prefer independent measurements. The measurements manufacturers publish don't always tell the whole story, and human ears (or rather ear-brain systems) usually don't tell the true story (in an objective, repeatable and reliable way) either (especially in sighted listening). I am sure we have had that discussion a fair number of times in this thread... 🙂
I don't have much experience with tube amps, but i have tested amps like Lindemann 855, which is a very good amp (too bad it had the fan noise) or NAD M3. I found NC400 more airy, and separation between instruments was better.
The separation between instruments should not be the problem. To me that is not characteristic to NC400 at all and it makes me wonder if the problem is somewhere else (the source). The problem should be more like that NC400 sounds too light to your ears and you want more warmth. I don't know exactly what it means, but that is what 1-2 people are telling me. I have heard the warmest and brightest monents with NC400 and each recording sounds different in tone and sound stage. IIRC, it could go a notch deeper in bass, but there we are touching subject that is too sensitive for this forum.
I am not familiar with the CA products tho. I used to own CA DVD player. Maybe those are just exceptionally good...at least for you.
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Audibility of amplifier distortion is a never ending debate; until now as far as I know no one has been able to demonstrate the sonic character of an amplifier by it's distortion profile.
It is OK if one prefers to have an amplifier with impeccable specifications and trusts it will sound as good as possible. It is also OK if one prefers to select an amplifier by listening. Just two different attitudes and not worth arguing about.
Already some years ago I was interested in the impact the different power supply options might have on the NC400 sonics.
The norm seems to be SMPS which is quite understandable with respect to weight and maybe other factors. However these SMPS's get rather hot, hotter actually than the amplifier, and this might be an issue (long term reliability).
This is not an issue with a high quality linear supply, especially when high quality rectifiers and electrolytics are used. A good linear supply (no hum; low inner resistance) will give the amplifier a solid "feel" as well (weight).
Instead of trying different input stages for NC500 it might be interesting to do a good comparison between the different power supply options. Might be interesting for NC400 as well.
It is OK if one prefers to have an amplifier with impeccable specifications and trusts it will sound as good as possible. It is also OK if one prefers to select an amplifier by listening. Just two different attitudes and not worth arguing about.
Already some years ago I was interested in the impact the different power supply options might have on the NC400 sonics.
The norm seems to be SMPS which is quite understandable with respect to weight and maybe other factors. However these SMPS's get rather hot, hotter actually than the amplifier, and this might be an issue (long term reliability).
This is not an issue with a high quality linear supply, especially when high quality rectifiers and electrolytics are used. A good linear supply (no hum; low inner resistance) will give the amplifier a solid "feel" as well (weight).
Instead of trying different input stages for NC500 it might be interesting to do a good comparison between the different power supply options. Might be interesting for NC400 as well.
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Usually it means a "rich" mid / upper-mid range, most often caused by low-order harmonics.
Really! In my some fourty years of audio career I never could declare the sonics of an amp by it's specifications. As long as amplifiers work within their capabilities of course (no clipping; able to drive difficult loads when necessary). And IMHO studio engineers are not the guys to ask; most of them suffer from hearing loss caused by their profession.
Not interested in power supplies??
Not interested in power supplies??
Even a valve amp with 0.5% of low-order distortion?
Good point.
Not me - I feel it would be a real shame to power a class D amp with a linear power supply.
Dave Rich of Theta wouldn't agree with you.
http://thetadigital.com/downloads/images/Theta_Digital_Prometheus_Internal.jpg
http://thetadigital.com/downloads/images/Theta_Digital_Dreadnaught_D_Interior.jpg
When Stereophile did their glowing review of the Prometheus I asked John Atkinson is he ever thought about arranging a direct shootout between the Prometheus and the Mola Mola - the differences just being the stock input buffer versus Bruno's discrete buffer and the power supply. It would have been an interesting shootout. Regretfully he responded that they weren't able to source a set of Mola Mola in order to do the comparison.
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Yes on both counts. And perhaps technical reasons to go for one as well. Personally, I'd like to see the same bakeoff Pieter would like to see. A Prometheus and a Mola Mola side by side would be interesting.
And anyone searching this thread for a post from Bruno suggesting an SMPS is better than a LPS for powering the NC1200 will come away sorely disappointed after hours and hours of searching through lots of drivel with few golden nuggets. There are various references like "this has been covered before" or "Bruno says" but it wasn't and he didn't.
And anyone searching this thread for a post from Bruno suggesting an SMPS is better than a LPS for powering the NC1200 will come away sorely disappointed after hours and hours of searching through lots of drivel with few golden nuggets. There are various references like "this has been covered before" or "Bruno says" but it wasn't and he didn't.
I just placed my order for a stereo Nord. I also got the extra op amp so I can compare them. Not sure how many of these are in the USA.
Invariably though, there is not a single 'review' (User or Critted) I have come across, that says the nc400 sounds like the nc1200 ...every one of them find that treble is not as extended and midrange is 'deadpan' by comparison...
Are all these people mad!? 🙂
Are all these people mad!? 🙂
How many genuine, neutral users have had a chance to compare the nc400 and nc1200 side-by-side?
I think the term "mad" is only an appropriate label for individuals that divert significantly from standard psychological profiles. It is not really applicable to describe psychological traits and effects such as group cohesiveness and confirmation bias that are normal parts of human psychology.
...still don't you think it's interesting that nobody who has actually listened to these, says otherwise?
Someone comparing nc400 to CA amplifiers, others with JOB and chip amps describe the same thing too?
Smoking gun in my view...
Someone comparing nc400 to CA amplifiers, others with JOB and chip amps describe the same thing too?
Smoking gun in my view...
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