Hi I'm an EE student, and have chosen to study speakers as a theme during this semester.
The problem is that the school I'm attending don't have any teachers with experience in speaker design, and I therfor turn to you guys and girls.
I would like to model a closed box, but I only have a model (with resistors coils transformers etc.) I don't have the values for these components. I'd really like to calculate the model, eventhou it's been done before, but I'm not sure where to start.
I would like to compare my own results with those found using the Thiele Small model parameters.
If anybody know anything or have papers from AES, I would love to see them, as I'm starting from scratch.
Ohh yes and it's only the low freq model I'm working on (to start with) 🙂
Thanks in advance
\Jens
The problem is that the school I'm attending don't have any teachers with experience in speaker design, and I therfor turn to you guys and girls.
I would like to model a closed box, but I only have a model (with resistors coils transformers etc.) I don't have the values for these components. I'd really like to calculate the model, eventhou it's been done before, but I'm not sure where to start.
I would like to compare my own results with those found using the Thiele Small model parameters.
If anybody know anything or have papers from AES, I would love to see them, as I'm starting from scratch.
Ohh yes and it's only the low freq model I'm working on (to start with) 🙂
Thanks in advance
\Jens
This is a good start.
Art has a very rigorous box model.
http://www.silcom.com/~aludwig/contents.htm
Russ
Art has a very rigorous box model.
http://www.silcom.com/~aludwig/contents.htm
Russ
I have the Journal of The Audio Engineering Society Loudspeaker Anthology Parts I and part of Part II.
I can post the circuit here and Email the article to you. It will be done today or tomorrow.
I am thinking of an article by Small. I believe there might also be an article by Bart Locanthi.
If I haven't given you the Email or posted on this thread by tomorrow, "bump" this to the top of the list by requesting again.
I can post the circuit here and Email the article to you. It will be done today or tomorrow.
I am thinking of an article by Small. I believe there might also be an article by Bart Locanthi.
If I haven't given you the Email or posted on this thread by tomorrow, "bump" this to the top of the list by requesting again.
You need to get a copy of Beranek's (sp?) book on the subject. It goes heavily into the electrical modeling of speaker systems. It would be an invaluable resource.
I'll see if i can dig my copy out of the library and get a proper title, ISBN etc. (it is mentioned i believe in another thread if you want to try to search it out)
dave
I'll see if i can dig my copy out of the library and get a proper title, ISBN etc. (it is mentioned i believe in another thread if you want to try to search it out)
dave
Jens, the two books you need are:
Introduction to Electroacoustics and Audio Amplifier Design, second edition by W. Marshall Leach Jr.
ISBN 0-7872-6093-2
and
Theory and Design of Loudspeaker Enclosures
J.E. Benson,
ISBN 0-7906-1093-0
Andrew
Introduction to Electroacoustics and Audio Amplifier Design, second edition by W. Marshall Leach Jr.
ISBN 0-7872-6093-2
and
Theory and Design of Loudspeaker Enclosures
J.E. Benson,
ISBN 0-7906-1093-0
Andrew
Also worth a look is :
Introduction to Electroacoustics and Audio Amplifier Design
W Marshall Leach Jr
ISBN 0-7872-7861-0
It's got some really thorough mathematical/electrical analysis in it as well as good background material. The man is a bit of a legend and much underrated imho.
Introduction to Electroacoustics and Audio Amplifier Design
W Marshall Leach Jr
ISBN 0-7872-7861-0
It's got some really thorough mathematical/electrical analysis in it as well as good background material. The man is a bit of a legend and much underrated imho.
....ooops, read the thread too fast and didn't see it had already been mentioned. spot the idiot.......
also worth mentioning that i've always found the box design stuff in Beranek to be a bit brief in places and definitely not as good as that in Marshall Leach Jr.

also worth mentioning that i've always found the box design stuff in Beranek to be a bit brief in places and definitely not as good as that in Marshall Leach Jr.
My sincere apologies. I am having trouble with this damn scanner. It was bought less than a year ago.
Everything is fine on it except that there is a thin line down the middle that looks like somebody ran down it with an eraser.
By going greyscale, I can eliminate most of it and make it readable. But it is a struggle. I have spent some time on this.
My original intention was to send you two articles by Small
A) Modeling a loudspeaker unenclosed-to acquaint you with the terminilogy-and
B) Modeling a loudspeaker in a closed box.
I was also going to include Bart Locanthi's earlier and shorter article, which also modeled in a closed box and served as the basis for Small.
All three articles are from the Journal of the Audio Engineering Society.
If I cannot get you Small's article due to technical difficulties, I will try to get you Locanthi's shorter article.
Sorry.
Everything is fine on it except that there is a thin line down the middle that looks like somebody ran down it with an eraser.
By going greyscale, I can eliminate most of it and make it readable. But it is a struggle. I have spent some time on this.
My original intention was to send you two articles by Small
A) Modeling a loudspeaker unenclosed-to acquaint you with the terminilogy-and
B) Modeling a loudspeaker in a closed box.
I was also going to include Bart Locanthi's earlier and shorter article, which also modeled in a closed box and served as the basis for Small.
All three articles are from the Journal of the Audio Engineering Society.
If I cannot get you Small's article due to technical difficulties, I will try to get you Locanthi's shorter article.
Sorry.
Computer and their extras
Hi,
No problem, I know computers can act up, just take your time, and thanks alot for your effort 🙂
\Jens
Hi,
No problem, I know computers can act up, just take your time, and thanks alot for your effort 🙂
\Jens
I'd also recommend Leach's book. I don't have a copy, but based on the quality of his AES articles, I bet his book is a must-have. Leach's Computer Aided Electroacoustic Design with SPICE JAES article is what jumpstarted me on this hobby (after reading John Borwick's Loudspeaker and Headphone Handbook).
Have you tried nearby engineering/architecture libraries? There might be some JAES issues there.
Isaac
Have you tried nearby engineering/architecture libraries? There might be some JAES issues there.
Isaac
Linkwitz lab
Hello Jens,
Mr. Linkwitz has also got some interesting points.
www.linkwitzlab.com
Greetings,
Jarno.
Hello Jens,
Mr. Linkwitz has also got some interesting points.
www.linkwitzlab.com
Greetings,
Jarno.
Model
Hi all thanks for the input about books.
I think I have an almost working low freq. model of a closed box, just need to make som small changes.
I'll post It as soon as I can
\Jens
Hi all thanks for the input about books.
I think I have an almost working low freq. model of a closed box, just need to make som small changes.
I'll post It as soon as I can
\Jens
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