hello everyone
i have been here for 2years
most of diyer don't know how to test a class-d amp
and class-d amp is quite different with class-A or AB
so i like to talk about my Experience at this.
also we can talk about how to use a simple equment to test class-d amp on diy.
many people on this forum have very good Experience.
so i also like to hear about other designers share their Experience of testing at class-d.
like eva, ChocoHolic, john.w, panomaniac, etc..
i will post many pictures of test method of measurement.
most of my time is spend on my job for living ,
so perhaps will be not post at a fast speed.
happy new year
fumac
i have been here for 2years
most of diyer don't know how to test a class-d amp
and class-d amp is quite different with class-A or AB
so i like to talk about my Experience at this.
also we can talk about how to use a simple equment to test class-d amp on diy.
many people on this forum have very good Experience.
so i also like to hear about other designers share their Experience of testing at class-d.
like eva, ChocoHolic, john.w, panomaniac, etc..
i will post many pictures of test method of measurement.
most of my time is spend on my job for living ,
so perhaps will be not post at a fast speed.
happy new year
fumac
most of diyer have no very good test equipments for their project
perhaps just have an osc scope ,a multimeter and a signal generator .
in fact this is ok for test most of class-d amp.
Minimum set of testing equipment:
1.an osc scope: at least 100MHz, better is 300MHz.
2.a signal generator: 0~2MHz, can output Triangular wave, square wave, sine wave.
3. loads 2x4ohm >50W
4. multimeter
A better set of testing equipment(add on ):
5. another signal generator (30hz ,100hz, 400hz,1k, 2k,7k, 10k, 15k , sine wave), must can output a very low thd signal.
6. spectrum analyzer. at least 0~20khz, better is 0~300khz, or 0~10mhz.
all above are cheap price , and very easy to find it at 2nd hand market.
perhaps just have an osc scope ,a multimeter and a signal generator .
in fact this is ok for test most of class-d amp.
Minimum set of testing equipment:
1.an osc scope: at least 100MHz, better is 300MHz.
2.a signal generator: 0~2MHz, can output Triangular wave, square wave, sine wave.
3. loads 2x4ohm >50W
4. multimeter
A better set of testing equipment(add on ):
5. another signal generator (30hz ,100hz, 400hz,1k, 2k,7k, 10k, 15k , sine wave), must can output a very low thd signal.
6. spectrum analyzer. at least 0~20khz, better is 0~300khz, or 0~10mhz.
all above are cheap price , and very easy to find it at 2nd hand market.
? How much did you pay for your HP spectrum analyzer?
There used to be an app note on www.audioprecision.com about measurements on class D equipment. May be worthwhile to check it out.
Jan Didden
Jan Didden
Class D
Fumac,
If you are too busy then why start this thread!
Most DIY'ers simply do not have the $$ to purchase test equipment.
A decent audio signal generator and a 10MHz scope will suffice for 95% of the guys. I do not count load resistors as test gear. The Mousers and DigiKeys of this world keep 50w load resistors and these can be used to make up virtually any load value required.
Spectrum analyzers are expensive but one can find good deals on Ebay.
Audio Precision is simply out of reach of most DIY'ers so this is not worth discussing. The measurement capability of the APs is probably not required by the guys on this forum.
In case you are wondering we do use APs and spectrum analyzers to test our amplifiers and switchmode supplies.
Steve Mantz
Zed Audio Corp.
CA
Fumac,
If you are too busy then why start this thread!
Most DIY'ers simply do not have the $$ to purchase test equipment.
A decent audio signal generator and a 10MHz scope will suffice for 95% of the guys. I do not count load resistors as test gear. The Mousers and DigiKeys of this world keep 50w load resistors and these can be used to make up virtually any load value required.
Spectrum analyzers are expensive but one can find good deals on Ebay.
Audio Precision is simply out of reach of most DIY'ers so this is not worth discussing. The measurement capability of the APs is probably not required by the guys on this forum.
In case you are wondering we do use APs and spectrum analyzers to test our amplifiers and switchmode supplies.
Steve Mantz
Zed Audio Corp.
CA
Re: Class D
Hi Steve,
The reason I mentioned the AP website is that they had an app note on the issues of measuring class D. I surely was not suggesting we all rush out to buy AP's! But I would think that knowing the issues would help in selecting what you want for test gear, what filters to use etc.
Jan Didden
MOER said:
Hi Steve,
The reason I mentioned the AP website is that they had an app note on the issues of measuring class D. I surely was not suggesting we all rush out to buy AP's! But I would think that knowing the issues would help in selecting what you want for test gear, what filters to use etc.
Jan Didden
we are doing reasch at a high dynamic test,
a simple way to test at a large dynamic, more than 160db
so i will post some pictures for how to test it .
we have a hp3585A spectrum analyzer, 20hz ~40mhz
but dynamic of it is 100db(just can use 90db )
so we need to add something to expend the dynamic
a simple way to test at a large dynamic, more than 160db
so i will post some pictures for how to test it .
we have a hp3585A spectrum analyzer, 20hz ~40mhz
but dynamic of it is 100db(just can use 90db )
so we need to add something to expend the dynamic
Attachments
from this we can get a very large dynamic equment
do a caculate
filter: -90db to 1khz
spectrum analyzer: 90dB dynamic
filter loss:3.4db
so we ge the dynamic: 180db(max)
db to %
-80db:0.01%
-100db:0.001%
-120db:0.0001%
-140db:0.00001%
...
we can see the true noise floor and Harmonics Distortion at same time,
just add a 10usd filter can do this .
next step we will find a way to build a very low Distortion signal genarator
do a caculate
filter: -90db to 1khz
spectrum analyzer: 90dB dynamic
filter loss:3.4db
so we ge the dynamic: 180db(max)
db to %
-80db:0.01%
-100db:0.001%
-120db:0.0001%
-140db:0.00001%
...
we can see the true noise floor and Harmonics Distortion at same time,
just add a 10usd filter can do this .
next step we will find a way to build a very low Distortion signal genarator
lumanauw said:
janneman said:
when you get a very low level carrier wave at your damp,
you neednt to add this filter to test it by ap
show you a picture for no filter to test class-d amp
i'd like to test the class-d amp same like class-AB
you will find diffrent with or without the filter, quite diffrent.
