It's funny you say that about a good stereo, but I feel that is "our" concept of "good taste" isn't it!
I don't think the younger generation has that same feeling or thought at all...maybe when they have their own living rooms they might!....haha. It just emphasizes how different generations can be for sure.
It's nice to be able to build an extension room and a good thing to have the hifi stereo as a focus! It reminded me of my younger days when the stereo was my most important object where ever I was living. Always the first thing to go in and get setup and the last thing to get shut down and packed out on the way out!....LOL
BTW...don't forget to make some room acoustic decisions in your new room extension as I believe that is something that we forget about and can truly enhance the hifi setup. In our day that was not really considered or affordable, but now it's a much more approachable enhancement. Especially if the kids have "left the auditorium" and you now have the space all to yourself....although "the missus" should be involved in terms of color and decorative style!
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The irony is those numbers are 1980's distortions told by Sony and Philips to market CD. At its very simplest CDs have ~96 dB of total dynamic range, not headroom, and pristine records have a ~65 dB noise floor PLUS frequency dependent headroom above standard cutting level. Then you get into dither, the relative spectral balance and masking of their noise floors and how much valuable information is available 'below the S/N number'.
He eh eh
I was YELLING at my GF that it was to blame the distortion produced
by the amplifier, when playng at full power ( You know: the manic moments in which the host in treated like a tester to respond facially to the volume knob rotation
) not the speakers
I was YELLING at my GF that it was to blame the distortion produced
by the amplifier, when playng at full power ( You know: the manic moments in which the host in treated like a tester to respond facially to the volume knob rotation
) not the speakers
non sense.
its only audiophile who doesnt sit and listen, normal people do just that.
this place is just insane honestly. I'm the young generation, im 26, and seriously, nobody cares about sound quality, my friends just listen to the music. You hear all the damn music information on a damn ipod. its you auidoiphile nuts going in circle talking about amplifier distortion, get out more, listen to the damn music, explore muisc discover new music. Theres a lot of compressed music that sounds bad but is good artisticly.
its only audiophile who doesnt sit and listen, normal people do just that.
this place is just insane honestly. I'm the young generation, im 26, and seriously, nobody cares about sound quality, my friends just listen to the music. You hear all the damn music information on a damn ipod. its you auidoiphile nuts going in circle talking about amplifier distortion, get out more, listen to the damn music, explore muisc discover new music. Theres a lot of compressed music that sounds bad but is good artisticly.
I place a lot of value on subjective assessments (my own) and much less on those of others unless I know them personally. I've found that good subjective audio performance requires a certain amount of engineering rigor while not getting hung up on the numbers game..
Probably the best thing to do IMO is not participate in threads you think are going nowhere, if enough people decide to do that the thread in question will die the death it deserves.
Purely subjective commentary around here tends not to do well, the expectation is for a little engineering, building, modding and a lot of sharing of design and construction details. This is a DIY site and not a general audio discussion site although in context that's fine. Subjective impressions in addition to measured performance can be quite useful, particularly if they relate to a before and after design change for example.
Probably the best thing to do IMO is not participate in threads you think are going nowhere, if enough people decide to do that the thread in question will die the death it deserves.
Purely subjective commentary around here tends not to do well, the expectation is for a little engineering, building, modding and a lot of sharing of design and construction details. This is a DIY site and not a general audio discussion site although in context that's fine. Subjective impressions in addition to measured performance can be quite useful, particularly if they relate to a before and after design change for example.
I think there is a lot going on and it is difficult to get a full picture of the audio market.
Growing up, many of our parents had console systems. My parents had a Telefunken with both turntable and tape deck. It was an SE EL84 system that my father said ate output tubes. Too bad I didn't get the amp when he replaced it.
I got my first stereo when I was 17. It was your basic Qual-a-sonic 8-track deck, turntable, 15 W stereo combination by Panasonic. It was high end compared to most friends in High School.
My first upgrade was 5 years later in the Navy when I got reasonable speakers, turntable, etc.
We listened to mostly Southern Rock and mainstream Rock and Roll, and took better care of our records than most of our contemporaries not in the military.
When I got out and went back to college (1976) most of the younger students wanted big systems that were loud. Power was king. Only a small percentage of the students I met actually paid attention to the true quality of the system. That was where I became aware of higher end equipment. Bose 901 proved expensive did not necessairly mean quality sound.
My granddaughter lived with us for almost three years. She and her friends listen to their phones with earbuds. I built her a small SE amp (6P1P-EV/6N2P-EV) and a set of full range speakers (Fostex FE103En) which she listens to at times, but more often than not she just watches movies on her phone and listens with earbuds. She says the stereo sounds better but is inconvenient. She and her friends listen to mostly POP music and R&B.
My children (Now in their 30s) listen to their IPhons with high end headphones, which are at leasst a step up. I'm building amps and speakers (mini fonken type with FF125WKs) for their TVs as they have streaming audio through them. I'm going to visit in two weeks and I'll take three amps (two SE, and a class A PP) to demo and let them chose what they want. They listen to a lot of classic Rock and Roll, much of it that I listened to while they were growing up. When they were growing up they listened to more RAP, etc which was popular then. Their music tastes have changed.
I still listen to a lot of classic rockand roll (Yes, Moody Blues, etc) as well as Country, and some POP and R&B. However I find I now listen to a lot more Jazz/Jazz fusion blues (Chic Corea, Yusef Lateef, Dave Brubek, Charles Mingus, Eliane Elias, Donald Fagan etc.
What I see is evolution on all levels. My tastes have changed over the years and continue to do so. I was surprised how much I liked Yusef Lateef when I first ran across his albums on you tube, and so disspaointed when he passed last Dec.
I don't believe most people ever pay attention to high quality systems and music reproduction. If 10% of the US has what we consider acceptable systems I'd be surprised. I would also be surprised if the percentage were any higher in 1970.
90% of the youth today run around listening to their cell phones on earbuds blasting their hearing. Regretable, but try to convince them otherwise.
I believe 10% of my generation enjoys high quality music reproduction. I believe the same 10% probably applies of my Childrens generaton, and 10% of my grandchildrens generation.
We are on the fringe. But there is another generation following us, and another will follow them...
Growing up, many of our parents had console systems. My parents had a Telefunken with both turntable and tape deck. It was an SE EL84 system that my father said ate output tubes. Too bad I didn't get the amp when he replaced it.
I got my first stereo when I was 17. It was your basic Qual-a-sonic 8-track deck, turntable, 15 W stereo combination by Panasonic. It was high end compared to most friends in High School.
My first upgrade was 5 years later in the Navy when I got reasonable speakers, turntable, etc.
We listened to mostly Southern Rock and mainstream Rock and Roll, and took better care of our records than most of our contemporaries not in the military.
When I got out and went back to college (1976) most of the younger students wanted big systems that were loud. Power was king. Only a small percentage of the students I met actually paid attention to the true quality of the system. That was where I became aware of higher end equipment. Bose 901 proved expensive did not necessairly mean quality sound.
My granddaughter lived with us for almost three years. She and her friends listen to their phones with earbuds. I built her a small SE amp (6P1P-EV/6N2P-EV) and a set of full range speakers (Fostex FE103En) which she listens to at times, but more often than not she just watches movies on her phone and listens with earbuds. She says the stereo sounds better but is inconvenient. She and her friends listen to mostly POP music and R&B.
My children (Now in their 30s) listen to their IPhons with high end headphones, which are at leasst a step up. I'm building amps and speakers (mini fonken type with FF125WKs) for their TVs as they have streaming audio through them. I'm going to visit in two weeks and I'll take three amps (two SE, and a class A PP) to demo and let them chose what they want. They listen to a lot of classic Rock and Roll, much of it that I listened to while they were growing up. When they were growing up they listened to more RAP, etc which was popular then. Their music tastes have changed.
I still listen to a lot of classic rockand roll (Yes, Moody Blues, etc) as well as Country, and some POP and R&B. However I find I now listen to a lot more Jazz/Jazz fusion blues (Chic Corea, Yusef Lateef, Dave Brubek, Charles Mingus, Eliane Elias, Donald Fagan etc.
What I see is evolution on all levels. My tastes have changed over the years and continue to do so. I was surprised how much I liked Yusef Lateef when I first ran across his albums on you tube, and so disspaointed when he passed last Dec.
I don't believe most people ever pay attention to high quality systems and music reproduction. If 10% of the US has what we consider acceptable systems I'd be surprised. I would also be surprised if the percentage were any higher in 1970.
90% of the youth today run around listening to their cell phones on earbuds blasting their hearing. Regretable, but try to convince them otherwise.
I believe 10% of my generation enjoys high quality music reproduction. I believe the same 10% probably applies of my Childrens generaton, and 10% of my grandchildrens generation.
We are on the fringe. But there is another generation following us, and another will follow them...
I dont even think theres 5 % that cares about quality reproduction in my generation.
the best they will go is get studio monitors or headphones, there are a minimal pourcentage going all the way with source, amps and speakers.
I would say maybe 1% go all the way
5% gets better headphones or at least studio monitors
The point was we could be making progress if we wanted to. Yes, you have to subtract dithering from the 110dB theoretical dynamic range. Dynamic range on a LP was dependent of the groove spacing. Many records were less than 65dB so they could pack more on. Stupid engineers, I had records that had a inch of unused space, but the grooves were too tight and cause track shadow effects. No excuse. Don't get that on a CD at least.
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