Hi I just wanted to air an idea that I had a couple of days ago regarding what created the "Big Bang" ... What any current theory stops at, is what existed before it? Well this is what I conjured up. Absolutely everything in the universe and the way it reacts with everything else in the universe has a scientific law that governs rigidly its behavior. The speed of light, gravity, molecular attraction, electricity magnetic and all the other scientific laws that exist within the universe perhaps even Quantum physics. We don’t know why these parameters exist and why everything “knows” what it should be doing as regards obeying these laws. They are not physical and have no mass, yet they are an immense force. These natural laws or commands do exist but they don’t require anywhere to exist, they just exist. If this is the case, they could have existed before the Big Bang even though we know that “nothing” could have existed before, apart from something that doesn’t need to exist anywhere.😊. Of course, all scientific laws now are set rigidly but before BB, all of them could have been in perpetual change as regards their values and rules. There could have been an infinite number of them churning around and forever changing randomly. So, I was thinking what if these scientific laws could interact, I’m sure they would do. As said, they have no fixed values, just forever changing randomly with different versions and variations of their laws being continually created and then changed just as quickly, in effect, turning over like the tumblers of a combination lock. This concept is the idea I want to propose. These infinite number of combinations at just one timeless moment, created a one-off chance interaction of them all, and that the overall effect was to open the lock! So, just by utter random chance, just for that one instant, the single correct combination and formulation of all these random laws were such that their collective existence were all linked together and were completely dependent on each other causing them all to interact instantly. The outcome of this spontaneous tying together of all the laws of physics reacted and dictated that energy must exist simply to comply with this one freak instantaneous combination. That moment was the Big Bang. Everything then followed on from that point. It was forced to occur, there was no other option. This one pure chance set off the universe. The entity thus created, would entrap the complete set of rules permanently as time and space had been created and the laws were locked in permanently and “set in stone”. The universe, time and space now existed. Well, this is the best I could come up with to explain how something could be made from "nothing".... Thanks for reading...
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Interesting! Sometimes we have to accept our limitations regarding the ability to understand things.
Sure we can move forward, continue to learn and to develop, and we truely are, but maybe, something is out there to be understood, but our limited brain and senses do not allow us to understand it and will never do.
Imagine a cat walking around the neighborhood. Its brain is so limited that a lot of things that we can easily understand, cause they are obvious and in front of us, for a cat is just not understandable and will never be. Just don't fit in a cat's brain as, maybe, somethings will never fit in our brains.
But, I maybe wrong since due to my own limitations 🙂
Sure we can move forward, continue to learn and to develop, and we truely are, but maybe, something is out there to be understood, but our limited brain and senses do not allow us to understand it and will never do.
Imagine a cat walking around the neighborhood. Its brain is so limited that a lot of things that we can easily understand, cause they are obvious and in front of us, for a cat is just not understandable and will never be. Just don't fit in a cat's brain as, maybe, somethings will never fit in our brains.
But, I maybe wrong since due to my own limitations 🙂
Your hypothesis is on a par with all other hypotheses regarding what existed before the Big Bang in that it is highly speculative.
If we turn the clock back to the Planck epoch, which occurred only one ten-millionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang, our current laws of physics break down and we need a complete quantum theory of gravity that combines general relativity with quantum mechanics.
If we turn the clock back to the Planck epoch, which occurred only one ten-millionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang, our current laws of physics break down and we need a complete quantum theory of gravity that combines general relativity with quantum mechanics.
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Thanks for your reply Galu. I guess I was trying to picture what happened one ten-millionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second BEFORE the Big Bang. It used no science. It's all came from a thinking exercise. I'm absolutely sure it would not receive a millisecond of credulity from any real scientist. However, it gives me a concept I can "visualize" rather than not have any idea at all what might have created our universe. Yes, it's just science fiction and not provable, but better than nothing .... currently 🙂
I'm not knocking your hypothesis.
You say our laws of physics could have existed before the Big Bang, but all of them could have been in perpetual change as regards their values and rules.
I would say that we require laws of physics different to our current ones to describe conditions before the Big Bang. Therefore, we're not too far apart!
You say our laws of physics could have existed before the Big Bang, but all of them could have been in perpetual change as regards their values and rules.
I would say that we require laws of physics different to our current ones to describe conditions before the Big Bang. Therefore, we're not too far apart!
PS: One other thought I had is that everything is a form of energy and energy is just an end result created by the laws of Physics, so in effect, there is nothing in the universe apart from the laws of physics that give shape to everything.... Have I gone one stage too far? 😆 🥴
You appear to be treating the laws of physics as if they were real entities, whereas they are just the products of physicists' efforts to best explain the observations they make.
Hi Galu. Yes, it does sound that way, it made me reluctant to believe in the idea too. I think one has to view the concept as that they are a real force, way beyond any comparable thing we visualize in our 3D world. I agree they are not made of anything, but they control everything. They don't "live" anywhere, they are omni present a sort of background cloak of immense power. We just have to accept that they exist and always exist and always have existed (although using the words "have always" creates an image of time but there is no time ever involved with them) but they don't need anywhere to exist. It is beyond any logical thinking. It is a force that only manifests itself by the way energy is controlled, restrained or reacts. By believing they exist, we can relax without needing to know what they are. It matters not that we don't understand what they are, and we should be happy in not knowing. * There is no ignorance and absolutely no need to find out. Just accepting, this concept gives one the answer to how the universe was created. We can now explore other things now. 🙂 * We can, however, readily observe their effects.
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I think it could be plausible that in an other event of a big bang (if there would to be more than one), in that short defining moment, an other set of laws could emerge and create a completely different universe than the one we see today. If we believe that quantum effects had anything to do with the final setting of the laws, we also know that quantum effects are quite random.. perhaps the very definition of "random"... Just one caveat... the quantum effects may be a part of the rules... bugger 🙂
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I would say that the Forces or "Scientific Laws" I conjecture here has, unfortunately, (in terms of its own "freedom") trapped itself in our universe. It is now rigidly tied and constrained and can no longer wander freely and change its values. By not being able to reshape itself and change its laws and values, another huge reaction like the Big Bang, cannot ever be sparked off again. It has become part and parcel of our universe. The Force itself will never end even if the universe expands for infinity or contracts back on itself. The book of rules is written. There is no sequel or second edition.
Yes, as living humans today, we will never know, but humans can time travel into the future simply by being born in the future, they don't have to wait, they will be there. If mankind can keep surviving, then a human might witness the event. If so, they will still be trying to find the answer to: Why? 🙂
"Laws" is one of those annoying misnomers. They are not laws in any sense. I try not to use that word! They are as you say, our best theories to date to explain what we see and measure.
I agree, I don't like using the term either. If we don't use the word law or rule we still have to accept that everything follows a defined value or complies to a certain ultimate criterion. I'm not that knowledgeable about Quantum Physics so maybe this could shoot holes in the theory there is something rigid controlling everything (as if behaving under a set of written rules) Then maybe it's just because there is more to discover as regards the "rules" everything has to exist under, and really Quantum physics does obey some defining rules. (I'm disliking the overuse of the word rules here 🙁 ) The trouble is we see everything in simple everyday equivalents or comparisons. I think one needs to allow the idea I put forward just to exist (yes, I realise this could be called cheating) I think it is no worse than a "time warp" a reverberating or parallel universe whatever idea. I just see it in this way: From absolutely nowhere, there was the cosmic explosion of the Big Bang creating everything from nothing. It was triggered by scientific "rules" that self-configured to cause the reaction. Ahh, where did the rules come from? Nowhere I say, they just existed and still do in their entrapped form. .... Yep, I agree it's a hard notion to accept. Many thanks for your input 😉
Perhaps a better word than "laws" or "rules" might be "parameters".
Parameters are factors that limit how something can or must happen.
Could quantum parameters have existed before the Big Bang that allowed something to emerge out of nothing?
Professor Brian Cox has speculated that a vast form of energy existed before the Big Bang, the quantum parameters of which combined time and space in ways we cannot even imagine or conceive - easy for him to say!
Infinite small and infinite large.
If your familiar with the infinite patterns found in the early Fractal Mandelbrot pattern.
It has its roots in very basic population studies or the "life and death" equation.
Then can be seeded by the infamous Fibonacci Sequence.
Depending on the input value , the resulting sequence either remains bounded or considered "alive" = part of the Mandelbrot set) or diverges to infinity ("dead" - not part of the set), mirroring concepts of survival and extinction
To even have a universe, it could be defined also by infinite amounts of universes that are destroyed or remain alive.
And what is alive constantly changes and is only possibly by what is also dead.
Much like a simplified life cycle such as our species, the same applies to the Universe.
Except it is beyond our conception since we cannot understand or fully accept infinity.
It never started and it never ended the physical laws already existed and was already defined.
It continues randomly and infinitely.
Again much like the " life and death" equation
What is consider " Dead" is actually a infinite cycle. And what is " Alive" or part of the set can be observed.
Strange enough our conception of dead is gone or lost forever.
In a complex but simplified diagram such as a fractal pattern. Dead is actually infinite and is just as important
to make the " Alive" observed.
Much like Fractals the patterns can be infinitely seeded. Which can be a likely equation for the Universe and proven by a simple fractal
It never started and never ended = Infinite
Our laws of physics are defined by the seed that made the "Alive" to be observed.
The laws of physics that exist in another universe could be completely different.
But are also defined and seeded as what is observed. Also to that universe what is " Dead" non observed or defies the laws of those physics.
Which would also be considered infinite
If your familiar with the infinite patterns found in the early Fractal Mandelbrot pattern.
It has its roots in very basic population studies or the "life and death" equation.
Then can be seeded by the infamous Fibonacci Sequence.
Depending on the input value , the resulting sequence either remains bounded or considered "alive" = part of the Mandelbrot set) or diverges to infinity ("dead" - not part of the set), mirroring concepts of survival and extinction
To even have a universe, it could be defined also by infinite amounts of universes that are destroyed or remain alive.
And what is alive constantly changes and is only possibly by what is also dead.
Much like a simplified life cycle such as our species, the same applies to the Universe.
Except it is beyond our conception since we cannot understand or fully accept infinity.
It never started and it never ended the physical laws already existed and was already defined.
It continues randomly and infinitely.
Again much like the " life and death" equation
What is consider " Dead" is actually a infinite cycle. And what is " Alive" or part of the set can be observed.
Strange enough our conception of dead is gone or lost forever.
In a complex but simplified diagram such as a fractal pattern. Dead is actually infinite and is just as important
to make the " Alive" observed.
Much like Fractals the patterns can be infinitely seeded. Which can be a likely equation for the Universe and proven by a simple fractal
It never started and never ended = Infinite
Our laws of physics are defined by the seed that made the "Alive" to be observed.
The laws of physics that exist in another universe could be completely different.
But are also defined and seeded as what is observed. Also to that universe what is " Dead" non observed or defies the laws of those physics.
Which would also be considered infinite
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Hi White Dragon. I enjoyed your reply, it made me think, so thank you. Overall, you describe the all-encompassing aspects of infinity. Somewhere inside this infinity pattern, there must be the modulation of events that take place, by which I mean there is provable variation or change occurring that, as humans, we can observe. At each stage of that variation scientist strive to explain what is happening or theorise/prove what might have occurred in the past. When we get to the very start of the universe and what we call the Big Bang, we could just say, it happened and has always happened and will continue to happen for infinity, and it happened for no reason at all, it just did. I guess that is good enough really, it matters not. My conjecture was based on the fact that as far as I know, the question as to what defines/regulates every parameter of the energy that is within our universe has not been found. We know the values but why do these values exist? I proposed that they have been set by an unknown entity and that unknown entity was variable and was continually changing, until at a certain combination or formulation, ENERGY existed, and the Big Bang occurred. Perhaps totally random events can occur more than once within infinity, but this would mean that their occurrence would not be cyclic or occur at regular intervals. Another aspect of my explanation would explain why we don't have another Big Bang occurring regularly, in our own human existence. Why haven't we had another, or many Big Bangs occur quite nearby that we could observe? If they can JUST occur for no reason, they don't need any perfect conditions so they should happen anywhere at any time. My conjecture explains that the source of the Bing Bang is now trapped within our universe and cannot manifest itself again, so there will never be another one. A weak analogy: The source has painted itself into a corner 🙂
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