Live micing is totally different than studio micing. Thats why you (almost) never see a U87 (the most popular studio vocal mic) in a live setting. Isolation becomes the most important factor. With a soft voice and a standard cardiod mic you will get as much piano (especially the low end and room) in the vocal track as vocal. Then when you mix this with the piano mic, the piano in the vocal track might make your piano sound like boomy mush. in the studio the vocal and piano will be recorded seperately.
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Thanks for the data points on SPL. I woke up in the night thinking, the SPL meter the safety engineer averages over 15 minutes or whatever the federal regulation specifies. Recording media and PA systems respond to instantaneous SPL. I've got a 42" console (vertical) Steinway, not a grand, so we are all in agreement the grands are a lot louder, the bigger the grand the louder. Somehow Billy Joel gets away with singing and playing simultaneously on stage, but I suspect his voice is way louder than mine. He used to use a stand mike in the old days, if I remember correctly. I think the console piano is designed to project the sound towards the player, which wouldn't help voice miking at all. At least on the church platform, you wouldn't have the wall reflecting the sound from the soundboard in the back. The main separation you need in church is keep the organ and or praise band off the pianist PA channel, if they play simultaneously.
On a different slant, there is a Neuman TLM103 with shock mount on craigslist in Nashville. Is that a good choice for piano? Piano plus singer at the keys? Imix500, you said used a "Neumann KM184 or AT4050 on piano in a tape bridge hi/lo config." Is that a grand or console piano? Does hi/lo bridge mean you tape two of them to the steel frame in the piano, one at the high end and one at the low end?
Thanks for the data points on SPL. I woke up in the night thinking, the SPL meter the safety engineer averages over 15 minutes or whatever the federal regulation specifies. Recording media and PA systems respond to instantaneous SPL. I've got a 42" console (vertical) Steinway, not a grand, so we are all in agreement the grands are a lot louder, the bigger the grand the louder. Somehow Billy Joel gets away with singing and playing simultaneously on stage, but I suspect his voice is way louder than mine. He used to use a stand mike in the old days, if I remember correctly. I think the console piano is designed to project the sound towards the player, which wouldn't help voice miking at all. At least on the church platform, you wouldn't have the wall reflecting the sound from the soundboard in the back. The main separation you need in church is keep the organ and or praise band off the pianist PA channel, if they play simultaneously.
On a different slant, there is a Neuman TLM103 with shock mount on craigslist in Nashville. Is that a good choice for piano? Piano plus singer at the keys? Imix500, you said used a "Neumann KM184 or AT4050 on piano in a tape bridge hi/lo config." Is that a grand or console piano? Does hi/lo bridge mean you tape two of them to the steel frame in the piano, one at the high end and one at the low end?
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