Yes, I think so as well, but you can't "cheat" by asking random people to identify, they will not hear anything since we must know what we are supposed to be listening for, if we don't know that we will not hear it.
Julf said:
You must entertain the idea that it matters a lot, the techniques differ, after all.
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Funny, why?
Julf said:
Research and advancement in the unknown does not need any evidence at all.
If you want to research which bird is the most intelligent, you will need to study every single bird on earth to arrive at evidence.
That's like waiting for a lawnmower to cover 10,000 football fields, honestly who has time for that.
Just look at the birds and listen to folktale.
Its common amongst the people at the 'objectivist' end to deny placebo. For example it was only last week I think that I replied to Doug Self who'd posted that he'd noticed a lot of 'imagined differences' between amplifiers. So I'd conjecture that they've not got their collective heads around placebo's existence, even less how it operates and so it seems like 'magic' that the differencess disappear in blind conditions.
Abraxalito said:
Speaking of "denying evidence", I think I saw Ethan Winer say somewhere in this forum that subliminal advertising is not real, that it has no effect.
It's also interesting to note that it was effectively used in media and even banned by the state, without arriving at any evidence!
Julf said:
So if pluralistic anecdote told you that pigeons can carry letters, you'd use a sparrow?
Edit - or the more traditional horse?
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Julf is now resorting to funny pictures / attempts at ridicule and dismissing / covering up the real truth.
As self-titled scientists have done countless times in the past.
Like actively hiding evidence to defend the Christopher Columbus theory.
Nowhere near neutral.
As self-titled scientists have done countless times in the past.
Like actively hiding evidence to defend the Christopher Columbus theory.
Nowhere near neutral.
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Ever heard the expression "jumped the shark"?
And, by the way, yes, poor Galileo - people laughed at him. But then they laughed at the Three Stooges too...
Oh, that path leads down to Goodwin again.
Thanks. Had a quick look there then followed the links to the original threads on AVS. I'm not surprised someone could hear the difference. It's always seemed to me that 44.1KHz was too close to the edge for "perfect" reproduction. Sure, most people can't hear anything above about 20KHz, but that doesn't mean some can't hear above 20KHz.
OTOH, Arny has a valid point too - the audible differences could have been caused by HF intermodulation in the replay system.
That's the best idea. Remember, when you get into an argument with the village idiot, passersby won't know which of you is which.
I'll come back and show you the link when I can access youtube, maybe tomorrow.
Edit - In the meantime you can look up the series "America Unearthed", there is a lot of information in there.
What I was referring to though was the hiding of the evidence of the Norse / Viking arrival in America.
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To be fair science magazines have published falsified evidence as well.
Like that person that pretended he could make atomic-level artwork, like a little guitar, by shifting around atoms until they look like a nanoscopic guitar. No one could replicate it.
Like that person that pretended he could make atomic-level artwork, like a little guitar, by shifting around atoms until they look like a nanoscopic guitar. No one could replicate it.
Interesting ... you're talking velocities here, meaning that that a note played at maximum force should have no blending, and hence no discernable artifacts, correct? If so, I'll create a MIDI
with notes at different volumes and see what tells me ...
There is probably (depending of keyboard model) a blending over time between attack, decay, sustain and release segments (sometimes several per section).
What really is a good exercise is to take a 16-bit waveform, attenuate it by 24, 48 and 72 dB and again amplify it back to the original volume (yielding 12, 8 and 4-bit waveforms). Listening to them is an educating experience.
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