Hi, I’m Steve, new to speake making, I’ve built some Pit Vipers already and about to embark on a new project so I have some questions…
Welcome to the group Steve
Given the current discussions about that speaker how are you finding them?
Given the current discussions about that speaker how are you finding them?
I like them a lot, but they really shine when they are playing at higher volume, im looking to build something I get more from at lower volumes, my shortlist is the Gema from SB Acoustics which would be easy for me as i'm in Australia, or the Calpamos by Tony Gee but I think getting hold of the Faital pro drivers and crossover parts may be a bit more tricky.
I was going to ask questions about horns and port designs, can you tell me the best forums to post in?
I was going to ask questions about horns and port designs, can you tell me the best forums to post in?
At a quick glance the Pit Vipers and Gema wont be too far off from overall sensitivity
Both would be around 89 to 90 dB
Overall both seem fine to me. Actual real speakers
Nice big 3 ways.
Of course nitpicking, people like tiny little ugly slot ports because they are small and shorter.
Rather do what paul did and use more efficient flared round ports.
That would be nitpicking. Round ports being pretty ugly as well.. lol
Far as moving up to 94 dB or higher live sound drivers, with a horn for mids and highs.
Horns have a slightly more in your ears soundstage, aside from the sensitivity increase.
It might be the solution to what ever you seek.
Keep in mind audiophiles seem to have this " thing" with not using EQ.
When our ears can perceive sound different at lower levels.
So you might just need a little bass boost and treble cut to your liking at lower levels.
To give music the full sound at low levels.
I like the sound of horn mids and highs, and especially at low levels.
I dont like " cheesy" soundstage descriptions since everything varies by distance and system.
Horns have a different sound in a generic sense, and wont bother trying to describe it.
Having heard many many monitor playbacks in studios, for final presentation to artist.
Usually a loud playback on such 2 way or 3 way horn " monkey coffins"
At low levels rather direct radiating or horn. You add EQ to make low level playback sound " big"
Louder levels less compensation needed.
Playback was pretty dam loud for Artist, nothing you would mix at for long time periods.
So it dont matter if the speaker is 90 dB or 98 dB it is less watts. To get to a low level.
It is usually a loudness curve thing.
Something musicians deal with as well for " practice" levels and " stage" levels
Any practice EQ would fart out your speakers instantly at stage levels. = bass boost
And any mid cut would be mud live, fine low level.
Both would be around 89 to 90 dB
Overall both seem fine to me. Actual real speakers
Nice big 3 ways.
Of course nitpicking, people like tiny little ugly slot ports because they are small and shorter.
Rather do what paul did and use more efficient flared round ports.
That would be nitpicking. Round ports being pretty ugly as well.. lol
Far as moving up to 94 dB or higher live sound drivers, with a horn for mids and highs.
Horns have a slightly more in your ears soundstage, aside from the sensitivity increase.
It might be the solution to what ever you seek.
Keep in mind audiophiles seem to have this " thing" with not using EQ.
When our ears can perceive sound different at lower levels.
So you might just need a little bass boost and treble cut to your liking at lower levels.
To give music the full sound at low levels.
I like the sound of horn mids and highs, and especially at low levels.
I dont like " cheesy" soundstage descriptions since everything varies by distance and system.
Horns have a different sound in a generic sense, and wont bother trying to describe it.
Having heard many many monitor playbacks in studios, for final presentation to artist.
Usually a loud playback on such 2 way or 3 way horn " monkey coffins"
At low levels rather direct radiating or horn. You add EQ to make low level playback sound " big"
Louder levels less compensation needed.
Playback was pretty dam loud for Artist, nothing you would mix at for long time periods.
So it dont matter if the speaker is 90 dB or 98 dB it is less watts. To get to a low level.
It is usually a loudness curve thing.
Something musicians deal with as well for " practice" levels and " stage" levels
Any practice EQ would fart out your speakers instantly at stage levels. = bass boost
And any mid cut would be mud live, fine low level.
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For a relatively higher sensitivity speaker with an easy to drive impedance load, you can also take a look at the Elsinores by Joe Rasmussen. There's a long thread on diyAudio about those speakers. IIRC Joe is located in Sydney, and if you get more serious about the project, maybe you can get in touch with him and get an audition first (depending on which part of Australia you are located at).