HDD vs Flash Drive - Ripping and Playback (Split)

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Nobody would dispute that.

1)It's extremely unlikely that anyone has a system that would permit the comparison of different moving media where the signal path is identical. The signal path could contribute differences irrespective of the bitstream coming off the media.

2)Even I don't insist that even identical players sound identical. I just insist that the differences are trivial.
You were asked to provide evidence already of what is trivial & it was pointed out that you have no real interest in quality music playback based on your own statements & your description of your system. So it is somewhat ironic that you insist others should have the same view of trivial. Have you ever considered that your playback system cannot differentiate anything but gross differences.
 
From what I've seen lots of A/B's have been mentioned, different brands of blank CD (frequently), HD, flash card, USB stick. The question I ask is on the same machine what does the datastream going to the DAC look like? This would take into account all the claims of making the hardware "work" harder or differently (IMHO mostly bogus these days).

Data integrity in the static sense is a non-issue.

Scott, this will be denied as a valid measure as was evidenced by the rejection of scope shots of changes in SPDIF datastream in the Rf attenuator thread. If it's not in the analogue signal then it's just boogaboo according to SY. Of course the analogue system tests need to be capable of revealing what is purported. So you are wasting your time with this sensible suggestion, I'm afraid!

Sy, your avoidance of answering about when you are sending on my devices looks very damming at this stage! Could you please give an answer - 3 weeks ago you said you were posting them!
 
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2)Even I don't insist that even identical players sound identical. I just insist that the differences are trivial.

The problem is that some people believe in your point #1. The fact that they believe this creates a real problem for ALL of us. People write in with reports of stuff that I know to be impossible. They want to ARGUE about it, and they even want to shut people up because they won't accept the impossible.

Still waiting for you to quantify trivial ............ 🙄

The difference as presented to us was not trivial and it varied from software to software. Windows Media was the worst, DBpoweramp was the best and very close to the original.

Burning was done using standard CD's next we will try black and Gold versions to see if we can hear a difference.
 
You were asked to provide evidence already of what is trivial & it was pointed out that you have no real interest in quality music playback based on your own statements & your description of your system. So it is somewhat ironic that you insist others should have the same view of trivial. Have you ever considered that your playback system cannot differentiate anything but gross differences.

I don't just listen to my system.

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That's not my dog...
 
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Still waiting for you to quantify trivial ............ 🙄

The difference as presented to us was not trivial and it varied from software to software. Windows Media was the worst, DBpoweramp was the best and very close to the original.

Burning was done using standard CD's next we will try black and Gold versions to see if we can hear a difference.

Still waiting for anybody to offer to clone 2 files, send them to me, and then reliably identify over the course of a number of tests which is which when I rename them and send them back.

I will note which files are sent on which occasion. The tester will note what he thinks he has received. At the end of the test (say 20 files) we will both send our tables of sends and receipts to panomaniac, presuming he is agreeable. He will then simultaneously publish both tables.

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Test ! scared ! ... 🙄

No Waki, you must be the one scared. You said there is no difference and if there was , it would be trivial , quantify trivial , if not then any test by your standards would be useless...



Ironic how precise and then imprecise you can be about this .............................
 
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Still waiting for anybody to offer to clone 2 files, send them to me, and then reliably identify over the course of a number of tests which is which when I rename them and send them back.
Sandy's already pointed out that renaming the files degrades the sound quality so badly that differences can no longer be heard. Interestingly, copying them to and from web servers, memory sticks etc is OK, it's just renaming them that has this effect. 🙄
 
However, the resident EE sceptic from The Netherlands then moved the .wav files around on his PC during renaming, and sent the files back again.
It appears that the files may have suffered some degradation while being moved around between HDDs during renaming

Above is what I actually said. You are deliberately misquoting me for your own purposes.
The files were not simply renamed as you are suggesting. They were moved around between HDDs , and the "Properties" altered too, to prevent cheating.
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Sandy's already pointed out that renaming the files degrades the sound quality so badly that differences can no longer be heard. Interestingly, copying them to and from web servers, memory sticks etc is OK, it's just renaming them that has this effect. 🙄

Above is what I actually said. You are deliberately misquoting me for your own purposes.
The files were not simply renamed as you are suggesting. They were moved around between HDDs , and the "Properties" altered too, to prevent cheating.
SandyK

No, you misquoted him. What he actually said is that the quality was degraded by doing things to prevent cheating.

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Mr Wayne. Got an answer for my question in post #167?

I was curious about how the CD were burned as I've burned several 1000s. First for a small duplication company, then for years backing up large image files to an archive. Not all burns are perfect. There are ways to check for that.
 
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