I have noticed recently on my travels that my system sounds much more analogue when I am in areas where the electricity is provided by coal fired power stations. When I was near Morecombe there was a definite edginess to the sound that was harsh and fatiguing, yet when at Rugeley the sound was silken and flowing. I can only put this down to the different forms of power generation in the two areas, Rugeley being coal and Morecombe being supplied by Heysham. This has lead me to further studies and I do believe that there are in fact analogue and digital electrons, the digital ones being harsher due to the more violent way they are disturbed by the digital EM fields. my research was further boosted by this paper confirming these different:
OF FLYING ELECTRONS
There the problem between vinyl and digital solved, different electrons streaming through your system, the harsh digital ones creating a fatiguing sound that can irritate the sensitive ears of a true Audiophile, the smooth analogue ones whispering through the electronics producing a relaxing more realistic output. The only solution to this problem is to use analogue based electrons from beginning to end in your system or some of the new CRYSTAL Technology based solutions, that work on a higher level.....
OF FLYING ELECTRONS
There the problem between vinyl and digital solved, different electrons streaming through your system, the harsh digital ones creating a fatiguing sound that can irritate the sensitive ears of a true Audiophile, the smooth analogue ones whispering through the electronics producing a relaxing more realistic output. The only solution to this problem is to use analogue based electrons from beginning to end in your system or some of the new CRYSTAL Technology based solutions, that work on a higher level.....
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In order to ensure no corruption of the analog electrons, no degrading them via the digital EM fields, EVERY single aspect of the system must be optimized, INCLUDING the software. As it stands, I am unaware of any music software that actively preserves the analog electrons in their natural, balanced form. I imagine that such software would achieve never-before-experienced levels of synergy with systems guarded by Quantum stickers and "active" cabling. We still have so far to go with audio. It is a surprise that we can tolerate our systems at all.
In order to ensure no corruption of the analog electrons, no degrading them via the digital EM fields, EVERY single aspect of the system must be optimized, INCLUDING the software. As it stands, I am unaware of any music software that actively preserves the analog electrons in their natural, balanced form. I imagine that such software would achieve never-before-experienced levels of synergy with systems guarded by Quantum stickers and "active" cabling. We still have so far to go with audio. It is a surprise that we can tolerate our systems at all.
This is exactly where we stand in the 21st century. Electrons are too fast and too small to hear I think. I focus studying the 'digital bits' 0 - 1 which tells electrons when to move or not. My experiments confirmed that bits are only happy when they exist or are recreated in a magnetic form. Bits of analog tapes are happy and healthy when enough iron is polarized. Bits which are like dead frozen corpses into your CD or computer sound dead and flat because DACs can't resurrect dead bits directly into electrons.
Cogitech LOL 😀
Actually though I have found using a valve based computer does diminish the effect of digital switching on the analogue electrons, my only problem is currently speed. I switched my valve based PC on 3 weeks ago and it still hasn't loaded windows, this is beneficial in one way as the noise of the operating system is now at such a low level due to my linear supplies and slow switching speeds of the valve logic that it is analogue in nature nicely falling into the 20Hz-20kHz range, thus large quantities of BQPs have had to be employed to separate the noise from the signal.
If you read the link I posted (from an interesting series of articles in Printed Circuit Design and Fabrication circa 1996, I have the PDFs somewhere) I think the mayonnaise jars give it away.
It all started when an EMC expert claimed that electrons fly of the corners of PCB routes when they are right angles at 100MHz.....
Actually though I have found using a valve based computer does diminish the effect of digital switching on the analogue electrons, my only problem is currently speed. I switched my valve based PC on 3 weeks ago and it still hasn't loaded windows, this is beneficial in one way as the noise of the operating system is now at such a low level due to my linear supplies and slow switching speeds of the valve logic that it is analogue in nature nicely falling into the 20Hz-20kHz range, thus large quantities of BQPs have had to be employed to separate the noise from the signal.
If you read the link I posted (from an interesting series of articles in Printed Circuit Design and Fabrication circa 1996, I have the PDFs somewhere) I think the mayonnaise jars give it away.
It all started when an EMC expert claimed that electrons fly of the corners of PCB routes when they are right angles at 100MHz.....
The EMC expert is right that the signal can lose intensity and have many antenna effects at the frequency of 100Mhz and over. Look at a cable TV splitter and you see 2 wires soldered on one pin. The magic is that each wire carries the same signal with a -4db loss, thanks god this doesn't happen in the audio analog band.
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No the EMC expert was wrong, we are talking signals going down traces on a PCB not RF. I would suggest you do some checking up first.. And electrons DO not fly of the 90 deg corners on PCBs....Nor do they radiate more than any other PCB corner.
What is magical about an RF splitter by the way.... and how does this relate in any way to 90 deg corners on PCBs.... Its not magical its a basic T form splitter with some tuning by the ferrite.
FACT ALL multilayer (2 or more) PCBs where signals change layer, have signals travelling without any problems through 90 degree corners.... OK below 10GHz
And finally electrons don't move fast enough down PCB traces to fly of the corners of PCB traces, otherwise we would be zapped by x-rays when we stood near a PCB😱
And finally finally using my SIV (signal integrity verification) software I have simmed PCB traces with different corner topologies... NO EFFECT.
We are talking digital signals with a few m of power not microwave... now microwave is a different story.
And if you don't believe me ask the likes of Dr Howard Johnson... I also have a collection of papers on the subject for work reference.
What is magical about an RF splitter by the way.... and how does this relate in any way to 90 deg corners on PCBs.... Its not magical its a basic T form splitter with some tuning by the ferrite.
FACT ALL multilayer (2 or more) PCBs where signals change layer, have signals travelling without any problems through 90 degree corners.... OK below 10GHz
And finally electrons don't move fast enough down PCB traces to fly of the corners of PCB traces, otherwise we would be zapped by x-rays when we stood near a PCB😱
And finally finally using my SIV (signal integrity verification) software I have simmed PCB traces with different corner topologies... NO EFFECT.
We are talking digital signals with a few m of power not microwave... now microwave is a different story.
And if you don't believe me ask the likes of Dr Howard Johnson... I also have a collection of papers on the subject for work reference.
Electrons travel at about a 10th of a mm per second.... so you could probably easily catch them as it would take them about 2 hours 46 mins to travel 1 metre.
And lastly a bit on power splitters, which should not be mistaken for PCB traces🙂
http://194.75.38.69/app/AN10-006.pdf
http://194.75.38.69/app/AN10-006.pdf
Vincent CD-S 1.1 vs. L'Art du Son by Garrard
Well, until 2 days ago I would have answered Joel's initial question (see thread starting post) with 'I'm pretty close ...'
I wouldn't dare to state that my Vincent CD-S 1.1 with its tube output comes really close to a high end turntable in every possible setup. But when connected to my Quad 22 / Quad II combo, equipped with Telefunken EF86 and GEC KT66, and fed preferrably with HDCD material or audiophile CDs like Stockfisch or similar ones: I really don't miss much!
Ok, this statement was heavily verberated last Saturday when I followed an invitation to Quad Germany's annual house fair (see HOME). In addition to their own products they had Martina Schoener as a guest speaker, who demonstrated her L'Art du Son Turntable, based on Garrard. They used custom built solid state amplifiers and refurbished Quad ESL 63.
In short: it was breathtaking! Roger Waters' Amused To Death showed a depth of detail that I never had realised before, and Leonard Cohen's voice on Popular Problems was so intimate, so close to the audience, so huskily whispered ... sorry guys - my relatively poor knowledge of English fails to describe the extent of emotional connection that was built up between the equipment and the audience.
In the end, there simply wasn't any audible equipment - eyes closed, Leonard Cohen was present. Period.
Conclusion: this comparison is not fair. The price tag on my Vincent was about 1,000 Euros, the L'Art du Son is available at around 78,000 Euros. Looking at this simple fact, I'm still pretty satisfied with my combination of digital source and vintage British valve gear. 🙂
Well, until 2 days ago I would have answered Joel's initial question (see thread starting post) with 'I'm pretty close ...'
I wouldn't dare to state that my Vincent CD-S 1.1 with its tube output comes really close to a high end turntable in every possible setup. But when connected to my Quad 22 / Quad II combo, equipped with Telefunken EF86 and GEC KT66, and fed preferrably with HDCD material or audiophile CDs like Stockfisch or similar ones: I really don't miss much!
Ok, this statement was heavily verberated last Saturday when I followed an invitation to Quad Germany's annual house fair (see HOME). In addition to their own products they had Martina Schoener as a guest speaker, who demonstrated her L'Art du Son Turntable, based on Garrard. They used custom built solid state amplifiers and refurbished Quad ESL 63.
In short: it was breathtaking! Roger Waters' Amused To Death showed a depth of detail that I never had realised before, and Leonard Cohen's voice on Popular Problems was so intimate, so close to the audience, so huskily whispered ... sorry guys - my relatively poor knowledge of English fails to describe the extent of emotional connection that was built up between the equipment and the audience.
In the end, there simply wasn't any audible equipment - eyes closed, Leonard Cohen was present. Period.
Conclusion: this comparison is not fair. The price tag on my Vincent was about 1,000 Euros, the L'Art du Son is available at around 78,000 Euros. Looking at this simple fact, I'm still pretty satisfied with my combination of digital source and vintage British valve gear. 🙂
The 'A' in DAC is not for digital
I am still bemused that the OP set such a low goal for digital audio, to only be as good as LP.
It is no secret that the purest analog waveform you are ever going to see from a recording and playback system, is out of the back of a DAC.
I am still bemused that the OP set such a low goal for digital audio, to only be as good as LP.
It is no secret that the purest analog waveform you are ever going to see from a recording and playback system, is out of the back of a DAC.
I have many LP's that are burned to CD using a Sony CDR-W33.
I have some of these LP files in J river
I'm trying to figure out how to post a few of the files here so anyone can have a listen. I would be interested in any comments about the sonic characteristics.
I'm just not sure how or where to grab the files so they can have be playable on this site. Any help available?
The LP's were played on a Nottingham Hyperspace TT with wave mechanic PS, modified rega ARM and Clearaudio Virtuoso Wood cartridge. The TT rests on a 200+ pound stand, room is well acoustically controlled and the volume in the room was held low for the transfers..
There is clearly losses in the CD version compared to the LP version, Of course I cant conduct this comparison for you, but the files sound pretty good to me and I'm curious what others will think..
I have some of these LP files in J river
I'm trying to figure out how to post a few of the files here so anyone can have a listen. I would be interested in any comments about the sonic characteristics.
I'm just not sure how or where to grab the files so they can have be playable on this site. Any help available?
The LP's were played on a Nottingham Hyperspace TT with wave mechanic PS, modified rega ARM and Clearaudio Virtuoso Wood cartridge. The TT rests on a 200+ pound stand, room is well acoustically controlled and the volume in the room was held low for the transfers..
There is clearly losses in the CD version compared to the LP version, Of course I cant conduct this comparison for you, but the files sound pretty good to me and I'm curious what others will think..
Yes, I have.
As they are different animals with ever widening gap between available content I am happy to say that I enjoy both very much.
Regards
As they are different animals with ever widening gap between available content I am happy to say that I enjoy both very much.
Regards
Hmmm - I'd really be interested!
But before posting those files you might consider taking notice of rule no. 13 over there: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/site-announcements/167561-diyaudio-rules.html#post2199797
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