guitar speaker for PA? #2

[djbfreak]

I found these guitar speaker near my house

https://www.solen.ca/pub/index.php?...u1=1&niveau2=18&niveau3=89&s1=2&s2=1&s3=5&s4=

they're really cheap, 23$ each...

yeah low Xmax...±1.00mm
SPL is about 94dB... not bad!
sounds good to me, perfect for guitar cab...

the question is:

does this 12" guitar speaker could be use in a 2x12" speaker? its for PA use! I read an existing post on the forum but it wasnt clear for me... if I can't be put in it, why and do you have a CHEAP driver that will do the job? I don't care about cristal clear sound, I just want something that sound good, and loud! I'll build 2 for now, already start a new TH project, already have a prpjet in process(THAM12) the sub are crossing at 112hz don't need real bass with the speaker.
Now I. have behringer B112D... now you understand why I want to buils something new... I don't want to spend more than 300$ for both... thanks for your help!

I try to buy at solen shop because I don't have to pay shippimg and price are reasonnable! and they have a got variety of product! I have access to all Eminence product and if necessary I can order online 🙂 I live in quebec so I need a site that ship to quebec!(canada)

 

[sreten]

Hi,

Guitar speakers have a presence bite and distortion
profile that renders them pretty poor for PA usage.

Here your looking at a 12" for open backed usage.

rgds, sreten.

 

[djbfreak]

and do you know a speaker that can do the job right? I don't know dayton very well, there's a 10" driver that is pretty good on paper

 

[nigelwright7557]

I used Fane guitar speakers for mobile disco use for many years.
They were very loud for the wattage.
Sounded good too.

I still use Fane Sovereign speakers but full rangers and subs now.

 

[djbfreak]

I used Fane guitar speakers for mobile disco use for many years.
They were very loud for the wattage.
Sounded good too.

I still use Fane Sovereign speakers but full rangers and subs now.

so you thing I should try?

 

[nigelwright7557]

so you thing I should try?

You could try them in a cabinet.
If they aren't loud enough you can always replace them later.

 

[djbfreak]

ok but the distortion isn't a problem?

 

[nigelwright7557]

ok but the distortion isn't a problem?

A little 2nd harmonic distortion sounds good.

I liked the sound of my Fane 50WRMS speakers.

 

[djbfreak]

A little 2nd harmonic distortion sounds good.

I liked the sound of my Fane 50WRMS speakers.

do you have the model? maybe they have it ! 🙂

 

[nigelwright7557]

I think they were Fane Classic 50WRMS 12 inch.
I bought them in 1980.

 

[djbfreak]

ok i'm gonna see if they still make them 😛

 

[nigelwright7557]

They stopped making them many years ago.
I now use the Fane Sovereign series, they do various powers, sizes and frequency ranges.

 

[djbfreak]

They stopped making them many years ago.
I now use the Fane Sovereign series, they do various powers, sizes and frequency ranges.

ok thanks for the information 🙂

 

[nigelwright7557]

These people do them quite cheaply.
https://www.bluearan.co.uk/

 

[Cuppa Joe]

My guess is that, eventually, you'll be disappointed with how guitar speakers sound for PA. Here's a couple other Canadian resources apart from Solen:

Q-Components at Q-Components loudspeakers & audio products
Belisle Acoustics at TRansparence Professional Sound Audio Equipement Loudspeakers Subwoofers Electronics Horns Recone Repair

 

[djbfreak]

that's what I'm afraid! do you think 2x12 is to much for only 120hz and more? for smaller rig I'll probably use them without subs... If I only put 1 driver in each box, I could buy better driver or build more boxes! 🙂

 

[Cuppa Joe]

Most guitar speakers have a pronounced cone breakup mode above about 1kHz which might be difficult to EQ out. Most don't handle a lot of power, & I wouldn't trust them to produce much bass below 150Hz, either. Personally, I'd never use a dedicated guitar speaker for a PA project.

 

[turk 182]

the EV m12 L was manufactured as a guitar speaker but was used quite extensively as a PA midrange because of it's power handling i don't recall any issues with supposed break up modes.
i don't understand the fuss about using a "guitar" speaker in other applications.

 

[wg_ski]

EMV12L is not a typical guitar speaker. It gets its rising midrange response through a totally different mechanism (sub- 0.2 Qts and very high intrinsic midrange efficiency), which makes it almost uniquely suitable as a horn loaded midrange.

Some typical guitar speakers are very useable as PA midranges. They tend not to be the cheapest ones available, however. The typical breakup peak in the 1.5-2 KHz range is above where you are "supposed to" cross over to the HF unit. With cheap speakers, the tendency is to push the crossover frequency up.

 

[Sonce]

Jensen CH12/35 is surprisingly well behaved in the 1.5 - 5 kHz range, but low wattage (only 35W!) and high Qts=1.54 makes it questionable decision for PA. Open back enclosure is a must, or closed box with high-pass filter. Low price at Solen right now, for sure.
https://www.solen.ca/documents/pdf/jensen/ch1235.pdf

Jensen CH12/50 is a more typical guitar driver, with pronounced peak in the 1.5 - 5 kHz range.:
https://www.solen.ca/documents/pdf/jensen/ch1250.pdf