I recently acquired a Kenwood KT-900 analog tuner. This relatively rare model was second in line behind the KT-1000 in 1981. I'd been interested in these even back in my tuner nerd days in the mid-2000s, but had to "make do" with a KT-80 and KT-1100 instead (as well as a number of other non-Kenwood PLL synthesizers). Now I finally bought one and have developed kind of a love-hate relationship with it. It's an attractive-looking tuner that's a pleasure to operate (and works fine again after cleaning the varicap wiper contacts and readjusting the MPX VCO and REC CAL oscillator, both of which were way out, plus the usual tweak of the LO trimmer), but it's also a bit of a mess. You may know the type.
For starters, the schematic is blooper city, and even the actual unit has inherited some bugs, indicating that it may have been a bit of a rush job:
Left and right channels swap places midway through. (Outputs on the actual unit are correct, but I have yet to check which parts go on which channel.)
Frontend power supply choke L2 is being shorted out by the layout but still populated. 🤦♂️ False alarm, looks like you can just barely make out a gap below one of the drawn inductor coils if you look really closely.
Filter switching diodes for WIDE mode are operated at 4.8/10 mA instead of the 3-4 mA they'd normally be using. R9 value should be higher than it is.
There is an extra 100k resistor in series with the 47k feeding the AFC varicap diode for no apparent reason. Maybe they intended to add some extra capacitance but dropped it? (And while the touch sensing duly disables it when tuning, the AFC still strikes me as rather faster than it needs to be, leading to audible low-level LO modulation, same as the KT-80. It can correct nearly 100 kHz in 1-2 seconds.)
B+ routing shown is incomplete. Frontend and IF strip are being supplied via diode D5 in series (not in schematic), dropping their supply from about 13.5 to 12.8 V. (It goes without saying that the regulator suffers from the same load / mains voltage dependency as the KT-80, varying by about 80 mV, and would appreciate the same kind of feedforward mod that I recently developed and deployed in mine, bringing idle/load delta down from 92 mV to 1-2 mV the other way. The KT-1000 and KT-1100 would have this issue as well, it's just less obvious because they don't have a bunch of LED blinkenlights that can turn on and off.)
Not really a bug, but the unbiased 2.2µ/50V output series caps could probably use some reforming after over 4 decades. I tried it with the diode test of my multimeter, but that seems to have worked temporarily at best, 2.7 V for a few minutes is just not enough I guess. The unit has a nominal -18 V rail, maybe I'll temporarily borrow that.
Oh, and electrolytic capacitor C93 was installed touching dropper resistor R181 (100°C in operation), great job assembly person.
Furthermore, the case construction kinda stinks - tight tolerances and thin sheet metal with little overlap, what could possibly go wrong? (Reassembling it without tuning dragging anywhere is a bit of a challenge.) The paint seems thin and not very robust as well. I liked the KT-80 a whole lot better in that regard, as well as general parts quality. I also tried to find the grub screw for the tuning knob shown in the explosive diagram, looks like the hole goes all the way down to the shaft. Great, an interference fit.
What irks me the most right now is that while sensitivity, selectivity and noise level are good, it generates fairly strong intermod in the frontend with just two pieces of wire on the 300 ohm terminals in my urban environment, while the KT-80 with a very similar frontend - hardly a true miracle of strong-signal handling to begin with - is substantially less impressed under the same conditions. And I'm not even talking cable levels! (Which I can no longer test as analog FM was turned off on there a while back.) I would like to fix that long-term, so here's where I could use some help.
Here are the factors that I think may be contributing to the problem:
Strike 1 - B+. Where the KT-80 supplies its frontend with 14.9ish V stock and 14.3ish V after my mod, the KT-900's only gets 12.8ish V to begin with. That can't be helping. Not entirely sure why they put the frontend and IF strip behind a diode (if it's needed to avoid reverse discharging, I'll be considering putting in a Schottky instead), and why regulated voltage is only 13.5 V to begin with. (I suppose it's closer to 14 V than 14.9 was, so you could argue that some progress has been made.)
Strike 2 - devilish details.
KT-80 frontend (click to enlarge):
KT-900 frontend:
A lot of things are the same - semiconductors (although an LO buffer is added for frequency counter operation), FM gangs (the varicap just adds the AM plates that had been left out on the KT-80), Balou the balun (L19-0026-05), resistor values. Coupling caps are a bit different, but who needs a 100p in front of the RF preamp in this frequency range anyway. LC fixed capacitors are bigger in the RF circuits and smaller in the LO, but since actual variable capacitance has to be pretty much the same and so is the range to be tuned, inductances can't be much different and so Q shouldn't be either. (I'll have to compare frontend pictures.)
One thing struck me as peculiar: The KT-80 gets a 1.5p coupling capacitor for the LO, while it's only 0.5p in the KT-900. Now I am not an RF guru, but that has to be negatively affecting LO levels at the mixer, which in turn would be worsening its strong-signal handling capabilities as it always does. My hunch is that the LO buffer Q2 via its 1.5p may have been posed enough of a load that it kept the LO from operating reliably without easing up elsewhere. Also, why does R7 have to be as low as 1.5k? Something smells of "let's bodge it until it works" here.
Great, now how does one fix that? Do you reckon one could take some hints from the KT-50, a basic little tuner with a frequency counter that used to sit under the KT-80 in Kenwood's lineup around 1980? It uses the same SC114 hybrid but only runs on 8 V, which I guess is what necessitated a bigger value for C7 (one could certainly add a pF or two to the KT-900's 8p as well):
C8 = 1p certainly sounds more promising. Also note R3 = 100k while using the same type for Q2.
Before receiving the unit, I had thought about trying to squeeze in another filter in the wide path, maybe an MA8 or selected MA5 in place of R8 or something, a type with about as much insertion less as needed to get effective terminating impedance (VR1 -> D3 + R14||R15) to about 330 ohms while matching total NARROW insertion loss of an estimated 9 dB:
Diode bias could be fixed while you're in there.
However, selectivity with the two MLs (280 kHz midrange GDT) in WIDE in this European model is actually quite decent, and I don't have to use NARROW with its two additional MJs (150 kHz regular) all that often.
One MA8 would add about 8/5 MLs worth of group delay deviation while being somewhat more selective than one. Mind you, the result would still be more chill than what the KT-80 shipped with for its compromise bandwidth (1x MM (230 kHz GDT) + 2x MS3G (180 kHz selected) of potentially dubious matching). One could also replace the whole shebang with one MP3 (250 kHz GDT) while losing the gain adjustment, but good luck finding GDT filters in this day and age... I think they were discontinued in about 2008.
For starters, the schematic is blooper city, and even the actual unit has inherited some bugs, indicating that it may have been a bit of a rush job:
Left and right channels swap places midway through. (Outputs on the actual unit are correct, but I have yet to check which parts go on which channel.)
Filter switching diodes for WIDE mode are operated at 4.8/10 mA instead of the 3-4 mA they'd normally be using. R9 value should be higher than it is.
There is an extra 100k resistor in series with the 47k feeding the AFC varicap diode for no apparent reason. Maybe they intended to add some extra capacitance but dropped it? (And while the touch sensing duly disables it when tuning, the AFC still strikes me as rather faster than it needs to be, leading to audible low-level LO modulation, same as the KT-80. It can correct nearly 100 kHz in 1-2 seconds.)
B+ routing shown is incomplete. Frontend and IF strip are being supplied via diode D5 in series (not in schematic), dropping their supply from about 13.5 to 12.8 V. (It goes without saying that the regulator suffers from the same load / mains voltage dependency as the KT-80, varying by about 80 mV, and would appreciate the same kind of feedforward mod that I recently developed and deployed in mine, bringing idle/load delta down from 92 mV to 1-2 mV the other way. The KT-1000 and KT-1100 would have this issue as well, it's just less obvious because they don't have a bunch of LED blinkenlights that can turn on and off.)
Not really a bug, but the unbiased 2.2µ/50V output series caps could probably use some reforming after over 4 decades. I tried it with the diode test of my multimeter, but that seems to have worked temporarily at best, 2.7 V for a few minutes is just not enough I guess. The unit has a nominal -18 V rail, maybe I'll temporarily borrow that.
Oh, and electrolytic capacitor C93 was installed touching dropper resistor R181 (100°C in operation), great job assembly person.
Furthermore, the case construction kinda stinks - tight tolerances and thin sheet metal with little overlap, what could possibly go wrong? (Reassembling it without tuning dragging anywhere is a bit of a challenge.) The paint seems thin and not very robust as well. I liked the KT-80 a whole lot better in that regard, as well as general parts quality. I also tried to find the grub screw for the tuning knob shown in the explosive diagram, looks like the hole goes all the way down to the shaft. Great, an interference fit.
What irks me the most right now is that while sensitivity, selectivity and noise level are good, it generates fairly strong intermod in the frontend with just two pieces of wire on the 300 ohm terminals in my urban environment, while the KT-80 with a very similar frontend - hardly a true miracle of strong-signal handling to begin with - is substantially less impressed under the same conditions. And I'm not even talking cable levels! (Which I can no longer test as analog FM was turned off on there a while back.) I would like to fix that long-term, so here's where I could use some help.
Here are the factors that I think may be contributing to the problem:
Strike 1 - B+. Where the KT-80 supplies its frontend with 14.9ish V stock and 14.3ish V after my mod, the KT-900's only gets 12.8ish V to begin with. That can't be helping. Not entirely sure why they put the frontend and IF strip behind a diode (if it's needed to avoid reverse discharging, I'll be considering putting in a Schottky instead), and why regulated voltage is only 13.5 V to begin with. (I suppose it's closer to 14 V than 14.9 was, so you could argue that some progress has been made.)
Strike 2 - devilish details.
KT-80 frontend (click to enlarge):
KT-900 frontend:
A lot of things are the same - semiconductors (although an LO buffer is added for frequency counter operation), FM gangs (the varicap just adds the AM plates that had been left out on the KT-80), Balou the balun (L19-0026-05), resistor values. Coupling caps are a bit different, but who needs a 100p in front of the RF preamp in this frequency range anyway. LC fixed capacitors are bigger in the RF circuits and smaller in the LO, but since actual variable capacitance has to be pretty much the same and so is the range to be tuned, inductances can't be much different and so Q shouldn't be either. (I'll have to compare frontend pictures.)
One thing struck me as peculiar: The KT-80 gets a 1.5p coupling capacitor for the LO, while it's only 0.5p in the KT-900. Now I am not an RF guru, but that has to be negatively affecting LO levels at the mixer, which in turn would be worsening its strong-signal handling capabilities as it always does. My hunch is that the LO buffer Q2 via its 1.5p may have been posed enough of a load that it kept the LO from operating reliably without easing up elsewhere. Also, why does R7 have to be as low as 1.5k? Something smells of "let's bodge it until it works" here.
Great, now how does one fix that? Do you reckon one could take some hints from the KT-50, a basic little tuner with a frequency counter that used to sit under the KT-80 in Kenwood's lineup around 1980? It uses the same SC114 hybrid but only runs on 8 V, which I guess is what necessitated a bigger value for C7 (one could certainly add a pF or two to the KT-900's 8p as well):
C8 = 1p certainly sounds more promising. Also note R3 = 100k while using the same type for Q2.
Before receiving the unit, I had thought about trying to squeeze in another filter in the wide path, maybe an MA8 or selected MA5 in place of R8 or something, a type with about as much insertion less as needed to get effective terminating impedance (VR1 -> D3 + R14||R15) to about 330 ohms while matching total NARROW insertion loss of an estimated 9 dB:
Diode bias could be fixed while you're in there.
However, selectivity with the two MLs (280 kHz midrange GDT) in WIDE in this European model is actually quite decent, and I don't have to use NARROW with its two additional MJs (150 kHz regular) all that often.
One MA8 would add about 8/5 MLs worth of group delay deviation while being somewhat more selective than one. Mind you, the result would still be more chill than what the KT-80 shipped with for its compromise bandwidth (1x MM (230 kHz GDT) + 2x MS3G (180 kHz selected) of potentially dubious matching). One could also replace the whole shebang with one MP3 (250 kHz GDT) while losing the gain adjustment, but good luck finding GDT filters in this day and age... I think they were discontinued in about 2008.
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Had a few nice tuners (like Yamaha T-80) but have 0 since a few years. Reception in the part of NRW where I live became a nuisance since DAB+ was introduced in my area. Apparently things develop further to end FM transmission. Not to discourage but maybe put not too much time/money/effort in FM tuners?! Here very nice FM tuners can be found for 5 to 15 Euro in thrift stores. Pity as FM was quite good and DAB+ not really a worthy replacement.
https://www.chip.de/news/Ende-fuer-...hsten-Jahren-zu-Elektroschrott_185354014.html
https://www.chip.de/news/Ende-fuer-...hsten-Jahren-zu-Elektroschrott_185354014.html
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As in? Probably not a silver-faced Onkyo T-4970, T-4711 or maybe T-4511, I bet (RDS, tuning knob). I wouldn't mind something modern like that to complement my silver analog Kenwoods... I've had an oversupply of black-faced tuners for close to 20 years. I have seen some go for a pittance on the 'bay, like the last KT-9X that sold (low single digit range), or a KT-3300D in the 30s.
If there is any time to put any effort into FM tuners, today is better than tomorrow for the exact reasons mentioned.
Not sure what you would say if I told you that I've been quite enjoying cruising the mediumwave band with the KT-900... that's far from the worst AM section I've encountered. There is some semblance of selectivity at decent audio bandwidth, and the random whistles from mixing products that can plague this band on analog tuners are mercifully absent for the most part (only 909 kHz seems to be affected by 2x IF). The usual limited sensitivity and AGC range can be helped along nicely by employing my secret weapon, a Tecsun AN-200 loop. talkSPORT Radio out of the UK in 1053/1089 has made it to 7 bars on the S-meter, RNE out of Spain on 738 to 5 bars and Algeria on 531 to 6 bars.
I even meant to borrow the KT-900's loop for the KT-1100 with its fancier AM section, only to find that this is dead. I traced the fault back to diode D15 which seems to be very nearly open, so no power makes it through that. Need to buy something a bit more fitting than 1N5408s, the original is a 1S1555 (slightly beefier than a 1N4148).
It is baffling to me that S-H would be the first to phase out FM... it's generally flat as a pancake so you'd think there shouldn't be too many major issues with multipath. Switzerland being a largely mountaneous area (not to mention wealthy) still makes some sense at least, even if losing the Säntis frequencies that would go far into Germany was kind of a bummer. Those used to be quite prominent around here still, almost 150 km away.
DAB+ is all good and well, but with its multiplexes it's invariably centralized. FM can be much more open.
If push comes to shove, I'll need to make my own (private, micropower) station. Audiophile grade with as little mains power as possible, that'll be a challenge.
R2? Did you mean R24? I would've said R38+R39 and C29. (According to the layout, the 100k R173 shown in the schematic does not actually exist in real life.)
The KT-1000 sports both bigger R and C values, along with a capacitor to go along with the second resistor.
BTW, I may have been mistaken about the "jumpered L2" part... there may be a gap hiding underneath one of the inductor coils after all if you look really closely.
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You might find info here?
https://fmtunerinfo.com/kenwood.html
I ended up with a KT-9900, which had been calibrated and maintained by the previous owner. The 9900 is an 8300 internally.
https://fmtunerinfo.com/shootouts.html#L-1000T
Good luck,
https://fmtunerinfo.com/kenwood.html
I ended up with a KT-9900, which had been calibrated and maintained by the previous owner. The 9900 is an 8300 internally.
https://fmtunerinfo.com/shootouts.html#L-1000T
Good luck,
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Yeah, I should probably post this to FMtuners as well.
At least my KT-1100's AM section is alive again. Replacing a single diode can be quite a chore when the legs are bent over really good and you have to work around a stupid coax cable to boot, not to mention I never see all that well on a good day, but I got it done. Works fine with a 1N4936 now. Really needed realignment, and not just in the antenna circuit that I would have expected (looks like the original antenna is different), even the LO was quite a bit off. It sounds much better and is more sensitive and generally louder than the mid-centric KT-900, however I struggle to ever get rid of 9 kHz hets even in Narrow. Looks like a barn door plus audio filtering does not good selectivity make. (The IF filter is an SFP450F, a 12 kHz job.)
At least my KT-1100's AM section is alive again. Replacing a single diode can be quite a chore when the legs are bent over really good and you have to work around a stupid coax cable to boot, not to mention I never see all that well on a good day, but I got it done. Works fine with a 1N4936 now. Really needed realignment, and not just in the antenna circuit that I would have expected (looks like the original antenna is different), even the LO was quite a bit off. It sounds much better and is more sensitive and generally louder than the mid-centric KT-900, however I struggle to ever get rid of 9 kHz hets even in Narrow. Looks like a barn door plus audio filtering does not good selectivity make. (The IF filter is an SFP450F, a 12 kHz job.)
