Hello,
I'm planning to build a Fuzz Face according to the first schematic here : Fuzz Central -- Arbiter Fuzz Face
I have multiple questions that may sound dumb, but I'm totally new to DIY :
- There are multiple versions of the AC128 transistor on Banzai Music :
these : Fuzz Face high gain transistor set :: Transistors (matched / selected) :: Semiconductors :: Electronic Parts :: Banzai Music (there's also a selection of diverse version of the AC128 for different gain settings)
or these : AC128 :: Germanium Transistors :: Transistors :: Semiconductors :: Electronic Parts :: Banzai Music
Why such a price difference ? Which is better ?
- I also want to ditch the battery and operate it only on a 9V adapter, I just have to remove the battery connector and put a 9V connector instead, right ?
I'm planning to build a Fuzz Face according to the first schematic here : Fuzz Central -- Arbiter Fuzz Face
I have multiple questions that may sound dumb, but I'm totally new to DIY :
- There are multiple versions of the AC128 transistor on Banzai Music :
these : Fuzz Face high gain transistor set :: Transistors (matched / selected) :: Semiconductors :: Electronic Parts :: Banzai Music (there's also a selection of diverse version of the AC128 for different gain settings)
or these : AC128 :: Germanium Transistors :: Transistors :: Semiconductors :: Electronic Parts :: Banzai Music
Why such a price difference ? Which is better ?
- I also want to ditch the battery and operate it only on a 9V adapter, I just have to remove the battery connector and put a 9V connector instead, right ?
This is the same circuit used in the two transistor version of the Vox Tone Bender. I made a lot of them in the late 60's and early 70's. The circuit is very sensitive to the transistor used.
I built a board with transistor sockets and just tried lots of parts. Most PNP transistors will work and create some sound. A few will not. Everything that I tried had a different sound. The unit that I kept for myself for all these years has transistors out of an old Sony radio, 2SB383 I think. If you have any PNP germanium transistors, try them. Anything out of a 60's vintage Japanese transistor radio should work. Most silicon transistors work but don't sound so good.
You can experiment with the resistor values in search of the right sound. I wouldn't go beyond 1/2 to 2X the values shown in the diagram.
The AC128 went extinct a long time ago. There are some "new reproduction" parts but they are likely another type that has been relabled AC128. I don't know anything about the parts you linked to since I have never tried them.
I built a board with transistor sockets and just tried lots of parts. Most PNP transistors will work and create some sound. A few will not. Everything that I tried had a different sound. The unit that I kept for myself for all these years has transistors out of an old Sony radio, 2SB383 I think. If you have any PNP germanium transistors, try them. Anything out of a 60's vintage Japanese transistor radio should work. Most silicon transistors work but don't sound so good.
You can experiment with the resistor values in search of the right sound. I wouldn't go beyond 1/2 to 2X the values shown in the diagram.
The AC128 went extinct a long time ago. There are some "new reproduction" parts but they are likely another type that has been relabled AC128. I don't know anything about the parts you linked to since I have never tried them.
Thank you for your answers ! I will try first with the cheap ones and I'll change if the sound doesn't satisfy me.
If you can get them the NKT275s are the best. There's a guy in Germany on ebay called minifux who normally stocks them. Be prepared to pay. 🙂
"minifux" has nothing to sell right now, but I found these : 4x ASX12D Germanium MATCHED Transistors / NKT275 J FUZZ | eBay
Would they be suited for the job ?
Me too...... (showing my age..)
A socket is a good idea. The sound you are after may not be found without some experimenting.
Silicon transistors will work but, as said, the sound willnot be right. Stick with germanium.
OC71/72 OC81/82, even OC44/45 ( Mullard types) as well as the AC127, AC128 mentioned.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/7-x-oc-71..._Consumer_VintageAudio_RL&hash=item1c21691c1f
Old '60s transistor radios are also a possible source - thrift stores.
Andy.
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I never got around to finding good germanium transistors for the Fuzz Face.
But you might want to try a Big Muff circuit as well. Uses diodes for clipping and smoother results with Si transistors.
But you might want to try a Big Muff circuit as well. Uses diodes for clipping and smoother results with Si transistors.
You will need to make sure the transistors are properly biased, there's an elaborate article on geofex.com which describes the FF circuit. It's called "technology of the fuzz face".
Thank you for all your answers ! 🙂
I'll try the OC71 as well as the others.
@Jarno : that article is really great, thank you
I'll try the OC71 as well as the others.
@Jarno : that article is really great, thank you
What enclosure will you use?
I think a diecast aluminum enclosure would work well for peddles, and provide some shielding.
I think a diecast aluminum enclosure would work well for peddles, and provide some shielding.
I think I'll use an enclosure like this one : http://www.banzaimusic.com/Enclosure-DC-B.html
Maybe a larger one, I don't know yet.
Maybe a larger one, I don't know yet.
you can get pnp germanium transistors relatively cheap on ebay that sound really nice in a fuzzface... check out mp16b's...they're russian nos military grade, and they are often in the ballpark hfe's to work really well. i think i got 50 of 'em for like 10 bucks or so, and have been using them in various circuits. the older trannys are more about mojo in my opinion, it's more about voltage and transistor bias than type of transistor, at least to my ears.
If people are looking for more info on the inner workings of fuzzfaces, there's a great article by RG Keen: Technology of the Fuzz Face
Bought Ge pnp's on ebay myself, a guy in the UK sold NOS milspec transistors, about a euro each, so not dirt cheap.
Local hamfests and 60's radio's and taperecorders can also be a good source, found quite a few OC type and AC type this way, for little money (and no guarantee that they are working, and/or are low leakage).
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These are the ones I bought on eBay.
Bought Ge pnp's on ebay myself, a guy in the UK sold NOS milspec transistors, about a euro each, so not dirt cheap.
Local hamfests and 60's radio's and taperecorders can also be a good source, found quite a few OC type and AC type this way, for little money (and no guarantee that they are working, and/or are low leakage).
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These are the ones I bought on eBay.
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these are the ones i've been using, they work great...and at 8 bucks for 45 of them, well..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MP16B-2N404...995?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc21a095b
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MP16B-2N404...995?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc21a095b
the hfe's on the trannys have all been useable so far, average is around 100 or so, some are a bit hotter, up to 300 or so, some cooler, from 40-70. really good ranges for fuzzes so far, and not a dud in the bag. some DO get a little leaky, so check 'em out first...socket your trannys, and you'll find good ones.
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