I'm usually not the most environmentally-friendly person in the world, so you may call me a hypocryt, but watching the movie on this link :
http://furisdead.com/feat-pampetition.asp?int=peta_newsfeed really gave me a knot in my stomach.
The first text at the end of the video finally did it for me:
being heartbroken isn't enough
Klaas
http://furisdead.com/feat-pampetition.asp?int=peta_newsfeed really gave me a knot in my stomach.
The first text at the end of the video finally did it for me:
being heartbroken isn't enough
Klaas
didnt she get her breasts stuffed with seal icone😀
here are some other videos to gross you out
http://www.ogrish.com/index2.html
cheers😉
here are some other videos to gross you out
http://www.ogrish.com/index2.html
cheers😉
Hi Klaas,
We took out the predators, so we have to replace their function.
Starving to death is a lot worse, don't you think?
Besides, seal icone is used for all kinds of things. We have the market cornered!
-Chris 😉
We took out the predators, so we have to replace their function.
Starving to death is a lot worse, don't you think?
Besides, seal icone is used for all kinds of things. We have the market cornered!
-Chris 😉
Personally I don't have a problem with our using animal products. I do however think it would be better if they took the older animals after they had had a chance to breed and also a more humane method of slaughter would be an improvement.
Other than the cuteness factor, what's the difference between this and someone killing a pig to make bacon?
(says the life-long vegetarian!)
(says the life-long vegetarian!)
the main difference is, that to my best knowledge ,a pig has an intelligence comparable to a 4-year old child
http://www.goveg.com/f-top10pigs.asp
with kind regards,
Klaas
http://www.goveg.com/f-top10pigs.asp
with kind regards,
Klaas
Hi Dan,
Generally, a whack on the head is much more humane. Other choices would be:
Shooting (might thin out the poor hunters too
)
Poison - indescriminant
Let them starve due to overpopulation - somewhat cruel and painful.
Land mines - a bit messy, indescriminant.
Run them over with snow mobiles - hard on the equipment, painful.
It's not a good situation, but the animals that kept them in check were trapped, shot and basically eliminated. One good whack to the head and the pain is over. TV crews generally show the worst situations for impact.
Anyone have a better solution? Remember too that it is not always a perfect world and sometimes you do what needs to be done, not what is popular.
What would these people be saying if the seals were allowed to starve?
-Chris
Generally, a whack on the head is much more humane. Other choices would be:
Shooting (might thin out the poor hunters too
)Poison - indescriminant
Let them starve due to overpopulation - somewhat cruel and painful.
Land mines - a bit messy, indescriminant.
Run them over with snow mobiles - hard on the equipment, painful.
It's not a good situation, but the animals that kept them in check were trapped, shot and basically eliminated. One good whack to the head and the pain is over. TV crews generally show the worst situations for impact.
Anyone have a better solution? Remember too that it is not always a perfect world and sometimes you do what needs to be done, not what is popular.
What would these people be saying if the seals were allowed to starve?
-Chris
Which makes it a significantly more intelligent animal than creatures like Pamela Anderson, Paul McCartney, Brigitte Bardot, et al. Stupid has-beens with nothing better to do.
Take care,
Doug
Re: Pigs
I work in packing plants sometimes (pigs). They come in live and leave in little chilled packages. One plant does from 6,000 to 8,000 a day. I work in all areas from the "farm", kill and right to waste.
The dogs love it when I go there. I smell great to them (dogs).
They come in screaming in the trucks. They can smell mass death and they are not stupid. They live in the barn for a couple days, then to the kill. They fight as they die. Some are ripped up pretty good. I will not describe it. Suffice to say I'm one of the few that can go there in our company. One other guy - rarely. Most guys blow chunks in the parking lot. It gets worse inside.
This is far more cruel than seal hunting. But then again, who wants to go hunting pigs? They stand a pretty good chance against a human. I'm sure the older seals know what's coming. It still must be done.
-Chris
I work in packing plants sometimes (pigs). They come in live and leave in little chilled packages. One plant does from 6,000 to 8,000 a day. I work in all areas from the "farm", kill and right to waste.
The dogs love it when I go there. I smell great to them (dogs).
They come in screaming in the trucks. They can smell mass death and they are not stupid. They live in the barn for a couple days, then to the kill. They fight as they die. Some are ripped up pretty good. I will not describe it. Suffice to say I'm one of the few that can go there in our company. One other guy - rarely. Most guys blow chunks in the parking lot. It gets worse inside.
This is far more cruel than seal hunting. But then again, who wants to go hunting pigs? They stand a pretty good chance against a human. I'm sure the older seals know what's coming. It still must be done.
-Chris
hey, thats what we do to a lot of our people around the globe, so why not ?
with kind regards,
Klaas
perhaps, but like this ?
In 2001, an independent team of veterinary experts studied Canada's commercial seal hunt. Their report concluded that in 42% of the cases they examined, the seal did not show enough evidence of cranial injury to even guarantee unconsciousness at the time of skinning.
btw, from the age of ten i've helped my dad kill off old chickens too old to lay any eggs anymore. I held the neck and he chopped the head. I know how you should kill an animal if necessary:fast and effective.
with kind regards,
Klaas
Another thread about cruelty to animals?
Seals: Too many to maintain a balanced ecosystem, prolific breeders. As mentioned we have done wrong by killing the predators.
One of the big things that hasn't yet been mentioned is that they eat a lot. A lot of baitfish that is, you know the kind the salmon eat? If we didn't kill the seals there would be a problem with the food fish.
I have no time for bleeding hearts who sit there and condemn a practice they are not familiar with while enjoying a nice, oh I don't know, let's say a veal dinner? Have any of you been to a slaughter house or rendering plant and seen what happens when the pin doesn't kill the animal? Suddenly the reality of the situation strikes you.
This is nothing more than sensationalist journalism.
Pamela Anderson? The world would be a better place if she were to do her little spiels while out on and ice floe. Oh help, oh help, I'm freezing out here. Can someone get me a coat? One of those nice warm ones made from...uh....er....seal?
What a crock.
Seals: Too many to maintain a balanced ecosystem, prolific breeders. As mentioned we have done wrong by killing the predators.
One of the big things that hasn't yet been mentioned is that they eat a lot. A lot of baitfish that is, you know the kind the salmon eat? If we didn't kill the seals there would be a problem with the food fish.
I have no time for bleeding hearts who sit there and condemn a practice they are not familiar with while enjoying a nice, oh I don't know, let's say a veal dinner? Have any of you been to a slaughter house or rendering plant and seen what happens when the pin doesn't kill the animal? Suddenly the reality of the situation strikes you.
This is nothing more than sensationalist journalism.
Pamela Anderson? The world would be a better place if she were to do her little spiels while out on and ice floe. Oh help, oh help, I'm freezing out here. Can someone get me a coat? One of those nice warm ones made from...uh....er....seal?
What a crock.
Yeah. I both disagree..and agree.
I've been in slaughterhouses before. The stench and smell of fear of death is pretty pungent.
I was a vegitarian for a while and was also a strict veg for about 1.5 years. Just to say I know and understand the difference.
As for the seals, I wish they wouldn't do it at all. Please, at least:
1: don't kill the little ones in front of their mothers.
2: make damned sure they are dead before skinning them.
point # 2, I'm so adamant about, that if someone stood in front in front of a political office and skinned a seal hunter alive -to make a point....I'm not quite sure I'd be bothered by that.
I mean, there are countries nearby, for example..their 'elected' governments kill 100's of thousands of people in -other countries- in very nasty and severe ways..and the occupants of those given nearby countries don't even want to recognize that basic truth.
pot. kettle. black.
etc
Maybe we could start by electing governments who don't lie every moment they speak-- and possibly stop killing people in other countries?
PS: Folks who DO eat meat SHOULD BE REQUIRED to visit a slaughterhouse.
Know the truth of your bargains.
I've been in slaughterhouses before. The stench and smell of fear of death is pretty pungent.
I was a vegitarian for a while and was also a strict veg for about 1.5 years. Just to say I know and understand the difference.
As for the seals, I wish they wouldn't do it at all. Please, at least:
1: don't kill the little ones in front of their mothers.
2: make damned sure they are dead before skinning them.
point # 2, I'm so adamant about, that if someone stood in front in front of a political office and skinned a seal hunter alive -to make a point....I'm not quite sure I'd be bothered by that.
I mean, there are countries nearby, for example..their 'elected' governments kill 100's of thousands of people in -other countries- in very nasty and severe ways..and the occupants of those given nearby countries don't even want to recognize that basic truth.
pot. kettle. black.
etc
Maybe we could start by electing governments who don't lie every moment they speak-- and possibly stop killing people in other countries?
PS: Folks who DO eat meat SHOULD BE REQUIRED to visit a slaughterhouse.
Know the truth of your bargains.
perhaps, but like this ?
Canada's commercial seal hunt is an industrialized slaughter of 12-day-old to 12-week-old baby harp seals by Canada's commercial fishermen. It is not a cultural or subsistence hunt. It does not supply individual families with food or clothing. It provides the European fashion fur and leather industries with fur trim and fur and leather trinkets.
The main slaughter occurs over hundreds of miles of ice, where boatfuls of sealers rush onto the whelping grounds and, with undue haste, try to kill as many seals as quickly as possible, before other boats of competing sealers can claim them for their own. In order to do this, sealers levy a blow to immobilize the seal pups, so they can return later to finish them off and skin them.
Video evidence clearly shows sealers routinely dragging conscious pups across the ice with boat hooks, shooting seals and leaving them to suffer in agony and even skinning them alive. Tens of thousands of baby seals die a slow and agonizing death. Many others try to escape under the ice where they drown; many of the corpses are not recovered though some wash up onto the shore weeks later.
with kind regards,
Klaas
If they would, otherwise, die of starvation, wouldn't that be population control in itself?
How about a maritime wildlife spay and neuter program? If only we could get Bob Barker behind it.
Hey what about the no politics rule? Well, while we're violating that, it's not just killing people in other countries. The same un-named country's government offed a few thousand of its own a few years back as an impetus to the "War on Terror".
http://www.911truestory.com/
I expect to see this post in Texas. Is that where sinners go, or come from? Oh, the irony.
Max
How about a maritime wildlife spay and neuter program? If only we could get Bob Barker behind it.
KBK said:
Hey what about the no politics rule? Well, while we're violating that, it's not just killing people in other countries. The same un-named country's government offed a few thousand of its own a few years back as an impetus to the "War on Terror".
http://www.911truestory.com/
I expect to see this post in Texas. Is that where sinners go, or come from? Oh, the irony.
Max
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