joetama said:
It's good to be young.
I'm only 22 and I feel bad for my dad who is starting to loose that sensitivity to high frequency.
Not fun to listen to speakers after he EQs them.
= Ear
He is lucky, with todays amplifiers and CDs, most high frequency you get is noise...

Re: Unique?
Having a go is exactly what it is! I can't remember where I heard that quote (maybe deep thoughts by Jack Handy?) but it cracked me up.
duderduderini said:Hi Sherman.
...You wouldn't be having a "go" as we say in Australia?
Uniquely yours
Nick
Having a go is exactly what it is! I can't remember where I heard that quote (maybe deep thoughts by Jack Handy?) but it cracked me up.
wicked1 said:I was reading an interview w/ Radiohead. They released an album online before it hit the stores, and let people pay whatever they wanted for it. Some people complained because the quality of the mp3's was relatively low.
Then someone in Radiohead says,
"Hi-fi really annoys me. hi-fi is just about middle-aged man trying to make music sound as good as it did when they were teenagers, and it never will. They'll never be as excited as they were when they first heard that music coming out of just one speaker." Then the person who said that sheepishly smiles, and it comes out that they have a really nice hi-fi system and spend a lot of time and money constantly upgrading the system.
It's always good to be able to laugh at yourself.
I understand why he said that but why they didn`t recorded ther album whith one microphone with an old cassete recorder??? How much money they spent on recording the actual album?
BTW, Radiohead is NOTHING special...javascript:smilie('



Re: Re: Funny Hi-Fi quote
Well, that's what's funny about it. It the end it comes out that the guy who said its just middle aged men, has a super hi-fi setup of his own that he constantly messes with. (and yes, he's middle aged now too)
I guess funny quote was the wrong title, cause the quote could be insulting.. Funny circumstances around a quote would be a more appropriate title.
And yeah.. radiohead is nothing special.. neither were the beetles.. neither is ANY popular band, if you ask me.
They're just all extremely lucky SOB's!! That's not to say that they don't make good music... but a LOT of people make good music and don't get anywhere.
bogdan_borko said:
I understand why he said that but why they didn`t recorded ther album whith one microphone with an old cassete recorder??? How much money they spent on recording the actual album?
BTW, Radiohead is NOTHING special...javascript:smilie('')
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Well, that's what's funny about it. It the end it comes out that the guy who said its just middle aged men, has a super hi-fi setup of his own that he constantly messes with. (and yes, he's middle aged now too)
I guess funny quote was the wrong title, cause the quote could be insulting.. Funny circumstances around a quote would be a more appropriate title.
And yeah.. radiohead is nothing special.. neither were the beetles.. neither is ANY popular band, if you ask me.
They're just all extremely lucky SOB's!! That's not to say that they don't make good music... but a LOT of people make good music and don't get anywhere.
I remember when I was around 12 or 13(1981 or so) and just getting serious about music, I was messing around with my parents old console stereo. It hadn't been used in years since the turntable broke and my parents didn't really listen to the radio at all. It was a giant piece of furniture and had 4 speakers, two in front and one each on the left and right sides.
I tuned in a local rock station on the FM radio and it came in clear as a bell. As I turned up the volume I noticed that it was quite loud even at only a quarter turn on the knob. I cranked it up to 3/4 turn and the windows in the living room were actually rattling in their frames. It blew me away.
I listened to it often when my family was out of the house. You could see the tubes through the vents on the back. Had never seen them before.
Unfortunately my parents gave it away to someone to open up more room in the LR.
Very few stereos had captured me like that one.
--Steve
I tuned in a local rock station on the FM radio and it came in clear as a bell. As I turned up the volume I noticed that it was quite loud even at only a quarter turn on the knob. I cranked it up to 3/4 turn and the windows in the living room were actually rattling in their frames. It blew me away.
I listened to it often when my family was out of the house. You could see the tubes through the vents on the back. Had never seen them before.
Unfortunately my parents gave it away to someone to open up more room in the LR.
Very few stereos had captured me like that one.
--Steve
Lowrider said:
He is lucky, with todays amplifiers and CDs, most high frequency you get is noise...😉
This sometimes is sad but true...
Computers are fantastic and evil machines. The MP3 format is one of the evil spawns. We're never going to agree on musical taste (wrong forum anyway), but Radiohead has produced some seriously brilliant stuff.
Seen in an audio Mag:
Picture this, a young man listening to several different audio systems in a hi-fi store listening room with a salesman standing by his side.
after much delliberation the young man says, that's the one I want, it's louder and better than anything I've ever heard before.
How many watts is that.
The salseman turns and points his decibel watt meter towards the speakers and as the speakers slowly proceded towards them across the plush showrom rug, he turned to the young man and said ................................... "12 watts sir"
This was an old mag from the 60's and were talking about an Altec tube amp and electro Voice 18" drivers in cabinets about the size of a small bus.
Picture this, a young man listening to several different audio systems in a hi-fi store listening room with a salesman standing by his side.
after much delliberation the young man says, that's the one I want, it's louder and better than anything I've ever heard before.
How many watts is that.
The salseman turns and points his decibel watt meter towards the speakers and as the speakers slowly proceded towards them across the plush showrom rug, he turned to the young man and said ................................... "12 watts sir"
This was an old mag from the 60's and were talking about an Altec tube amp and electro Voice 18" drivers in cabinets about the size of a small bus.
wicked1 said:I was reading an interview w/ Radiohead. They released an album online before it hit the stores, and let people pay whatever they wanted for it. Some people complained because the quality of the mp3's was relatively low.
Then someone in Radiohead says,
"Hi-fi really annoys me. hi-fi is just about middle-aged man trying to make music sound as good as it did when they were teenagers, and it never will. They'll never be as excited as they were when they first heard that music coming out of just one speaker." Then the person who said that sheepishly smiles, and it comes out that they have a really nice hi-fi system and spend a lot of time and money constantly upgrading the system.
It's always good to be able to laugh at yourself.
That's more philosophical about life and faded thrill than anything hobbyist. It nodes to those discussions recently in the forum, for objective audio evaluation and counter suggestions to the importance of left brain interpretation of sonics. Enthusiasm is a strong filter. Also don't forget chemistry and drugs. A teenager with a guitar has levels of testosterone, adrenaline and THC that can make sonics feel quite epic.
Re: Re: Funny Hi-Fi quote
That's great 🙂. There was one day back when I still smoked a little pot, tho not as much as in highschool..
I popped in an old Doors album, and thought "Man, why did I ever like this" Then while I was listening to it I smoked a little, and that music sounded better w/ every puff.
Fast forward 15 years to now, and I've got to admit... My amp/hi-fi speaker building experience has made me regain my lost love of music. I spent the past 10 years listening to everything through ****** computer speakers, and sort of gave up on music. W/ this new system, I can't turn it off! I've been in a generally better mood, and got some of that late teen/early 20's motivation back too!!
The deep joy that comes from music really does seem to stem from the details. The subtle background noises, harmonics, string noises when the player slides across a string on their guitar, etc.... Details that are lost on bad sound systems.
salas said:
Also don't forget chemistry and drugs. A teenager with a guitar has levels of testosterone, adrenaline and THC that can make sonics feel quite epic.
That's great 🙂. There was one day back when I still smoked a little pot, tho not as much as in highschool..
I popped in an old Doors album, and thought "Man, why did I ever like this" Then while I was listening to it I smoked a little, and that music sounded better w/ every puff.
Fast forward 15 years to now, and I've got to admit... My amp/hi-fi speaker building experience has made me regain my lost love of music. I spent the past 10 years listening to everything through ****** computer speakers, and sort of gave up on music. W/ this new system, I can't turn it off! I've been in a generally better mood, and got some of that late teen/early 20's motivation back too!!
The deep joy that comes from music really does seem to stem from the details. The subtle background noises, harmonics, string noises when the player slides across a string on their guitar, etc.... Details that are lost on bad sound systems.
True, what we lose in enthusiasm with maturing process, we gain with appreciation of finesse. I think its a minor consideration some weirdos call 'culture'.😉
Hey Shoog;
Very funny, but the disturbing part is that like all good humor there is an element of truth in it. The loonies are already in the process of banning light bulbs of which our beloved vacuum tubes are just a fancy variation.
mike
Very funny, but the disturbing part is that like all good humor there is an element of truth in it. The loonies are already in the process of banning light bulbs of which our beloved vacuum tubes are just a fancy variation.
mike
Even though I hate Radiohead and all bands like them, he DOES have a point. I remember back in '72 when I listened to "Smoke On the Water" through a Panasonic transistor radio with a 2 1/2" speaker. I was completely happy, even ecstatic about it! It wasn't until I listened to my Father's Scott 299 when I started to get spoiled. Now I can aways find something wrong with the quality of the sound, even though everybody else thinks I'm nuts.
HollowState said:
I tend to agree. My first Hi-Fi experience occurred when I was a child. I built a rough wooden cabinet for a 12 inch speaker I had found and added another small speaker in parallel through a capacitor. (no math, just a crude two way system). When I connected the speaker cabinet to a wooden Philco table radio I had, I was amazed at the great sound improvement.
A lot like when I connected a "transistor" radio (back in the 60's a "Transistor" meant a small portable radio) to a hifi 8 ohm speaker via the earphone jack. It sounded much better than the radio's 2 inch internal speaker, and the hifi speaker didn't blow up the radio! Not that it would, but a beginner in electronics as I was then isn't sure what can and cannot blow something up...
wa2ise said:hifi 8 ohm speaker via the earphone jack.
That's where I got all caught up in this madness. That, and my brother telling me to try FM radio so I'd hear the difference. Holy cow, cymbals and everything! Those were the days as they say. 🙂
wicked1 said:I was reading an interview w/ Radiohead. They released an album online before it hit the stores, and let people pay whatever they wanted for it. Some people complained because the quality of the mp3's was relatively low.
Then someone in Radiohead says,
"Hi-fi really annoys me. hi-fi is just about middle-aged man trying to make music sound as good as it did when they were teenagers, and it never will. They'll never be as excited as they were when they first heard that music coming out of just one speaker." Then the person who said that sheepishly smiles, and it comes out that they have a really nice hi-fi system and spend a lot of time and money constantly upgrading the system.
It's always good to be able to laugh at yourself.
Sounds like making excuses for shoddy workmanship. There's no excuse for crappy sound these days.
Sheldon
The quality of mp3's and cd now days is what justifies the mid-fi-ness of the things I make (speaker/amps/etc...). As my gear increased in quality the defects of the source became more apparent. What I needed was a home made preamp/amp/phono-pre and speakers which were just good enough to sound good but not good enough to reveal the bad recordings and crummy mp3's. But also good enough that clean flac's and well mastered vinyls sound good. Did that make sense? I guess its about averaging things out...
My first HiFi experience was a system of my father's friend, a Dulci or Mullard PP amp driving huge beautifully made speakers (the guy was cabinet maker) with silver tweeter horns sitting on top, man what a sound. The music he liked (german sopranos) was not mine .
I wanted to hear The Shadows but he wouldn't let me bring my records for fear of damaging his stylus. Later he relented and let me bring a record.
He put on the Shadows, 'The Savage', I was expecting it to blow me away but it sounded nothing like I was used to and I was really disappointed. Not enough distortion to get my juices going.
I wanted to hear The Shadows but he wouldn't let me bring my records for fear of damaging his stylus. Later he relented and let me bring a record.
He put on the Shadows, 'The Savage', I was expecting it to blow me away but it sounded nothing like I was used to and I was really disappointed. Not enough distortion to get my juices going.
A next door neighbor had built some Klipsch horns from plans that he had bought (late 1960's) He bought a Solid State Heathkit receiver (AR-13?) which blew up when he turned it on. I fixed it and got to listen to it. Compared to my home made stuff which used tubes (they were basically free back then) it was amazing. I was hooked.
Later I got a job in a stereo store fixing stereo equipment. I got to listen to just about everything from cheap house brand junk to the top of the line name brand stuff. We even sold Lowther branded speakers in 1970. I have heard some really good sounding SS stuff, and some really bad sounding SS stuff. The most expensive receiver in the store was an AR solid state unit. $650 in 1971. It sounded horrible, loud but horrible. The same went for some of the popular tube gear, some sounded good, some didn't.
My "stereo" consisted of two Stromberg Carlson PA amps that used 4 X 6L6's and home made speakers. The drivers were field coil units robbed from discarded Leslie cabinets. Cheap but fair sounding, and plenty loud. What more could a 19 year old want, I could even play my guitar through it and really annoy the neighbors.
A customer traded in a 1970 vintage Italian Voxson solid state receiver and two home made speakers (University Labs 12TRXB? drivers). I bought it and it caused me to wander down a multi year sand state path. I used that stereo for 15 years until I went further over to the dark side with a Phase Linear / Carver system. I don't know what was so special about that old Voxson, but I still have it. One day I will drag it out and fix it just to see if my memories were "enhanced" by the mind altering substances that were so popular during that era.
This is not a new phenomenon. In the early 1970's I got a tour of Criteria recording studio (a major studio in Miami, Eric Clapton...) Their mix down room had several nice sets of studio monitors, and a piece of plywood with two 6X9 inch car speakers mounted behind the console. I asked what they were for. The engineer replied that half of his music would be listened to in a car through an 8 track player and 6X9's on the rear deck, so all popular music was mixed to sound good through that combination. What do you think I went home and built. A pair of 6X9's in boxes. Still got them too.
Radiohead? I got OK Computer from a used CD store. I listen to it occasionally, but it hasn't inspired me to buy any of their other music.
When I was in high school, I loved the Doors, I even went to the infamous concert in Miami Beach where Jim Morrison was arrested for allegedly masturbating on stage. Now, I don't seem to like them any more. My parents did not like my taste in music. They liked the popular stuff that was on TV like Shindig, American bandstand, and of course The Monkeys. My mom even offered to pay for the tickets if I would go see the Monkeys play the Orange Bowl (football stadium). I gladly accepted her offer, since I knew that the opening act was none other than Jimi! That one show convinced me that I would never be a real guitar player.
Later I got a job in a stereo store fixing stereo equipment. I got to listen to just about everything from cheap house brand junk to the top of the line name brand stuff. We even sold Lowther branded speakers in 1970. I have heard some really good sounding SS stuff, and some really bad sounding SS stuff. The most expensive receiver in the store was an AR solid state unit. $650 in 1971. It sounded horrible, loud but horrible. The same went for some of the popular tube gear, some sounded good, some didn't.
My "stereo" consisted of two Stromberg Carlson PA amps that used 4 X 6L6's and home made speakers. The drivers were field coil units robbed from discarded Leslie cabinets. Cheap but fair sounding, and plenty loud. What more could a 19 year old want, I could even play my guitar through it and really annoy the neighbors.
A customer traded in a 1970 vintage Italian Voxson solid state receiver and two home made speakers (University Labs 12TRXB? drivers). I bought it and it caused me to wander down a multi year sand state path. I used that stereo for 15 years until I went further over to the dark side with a Phase Linear / Carver system. I don't know what was so special about that old Voxson, but I still have it. One day I will drag it out and fix it just to see if my memories were "enhanced" by the mind altering substances that were so popular during that era.
But that's what the majority of the music-buying public uses, and they would never recognize good sound because they've never heard it. So the sound engineers try to compensate for equipment deficiencies when they master the studio recordings.
This is not a new phenomenon. In the early 1970's I got a tour of Criteria recording studio (a major studio in Miami, Eric Clapton...) Their mix down room had several nice sets of studio monitors, and a piece of plywood with two 6X9 inch car speakers mounted behind the console. I asked what they were for. The engineer replied that half of his music would be listened to in a car through an 8 track player and 6X9's on the rear deck, so all popular music was mixed to sound good through that combination. What do you think I went home and built. A pair of 6X9's in boxes. Still got them too.
Radiohead? I got OK Computer from a used CD store. I listen to it occasionally, but it hasn't inspired me to buy any of their other music.
I popped in an old Doors album, and thought "Man, why did I ever like this"
When I was in high school, I loved the Doors, I even went to the infamous concert in Miami Beach where Jim Morrison was arrested for allegedly masturbating on stage. Now, I don't seem to like them any more. My parents did not like my taste in music. They liked the popular stuff that was on TV like Shindig, American bandstand, and of course The Monkeys. My mom even offered to pay for the tickets if I would go see the Monkeys play the Orange Bowl (football stadium). I gladly accepted her offer, since I knew that the opening act was none other than Jimi! That one show convinced me that I would never be a real guitar player.
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