That would be this cartridge, more or less:
http://www.musicalsurroundings.com/brand/ds-audio
Their TOTL model offers 'more than 27dB' of channel separation. I'd expect them to easily achieve 10 more, especially with a dedicated preamp/processor.
http://www.musicalsurroundings.com/brand/ds-audio
Their TOTL model offers 'more than 27dB' of channel separation. I'd expect them to easily achieve 10 more, especially with a dedicated preamp/processor.
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/the-amazing-0-realtek-phono-preamp.355670/#post-6233612
Yeah, last time I played around with crosstalk cancellation I got 43dB at 1khz. That would be what I'd expect from an optical cart...
Yeah, last time I played around with crosstalk cancellation I got 43dB at 1khz. That would be what I'd expect from an optical cart...
Whatever the spec is they don't sound like iron. Far cleaner than MC or MM. People I know who have heard them don't bother with MC any more.
70s signal path?
I send my turntable signal to my preamplifier, then to a power amplifier, then to speakers. How do you do it?
Adding an extra step is simplifying the signal chain? How is converting an analog signal to digital, then back to analog simpler?
That's an interesting product. It's unlikely it wouldn't be any more than just another cartridge to me, since I swap cartridges like some people roll tubes.
If you hear it you will want it. At least they have published technical info on preamp design, which can save some $$$
So throwing a system I love in the trash and spending money based on some guy on a forum who is clueless about my room, my speakers and my system will save me money?
You are a Keynesian, aren't you?
You are a Keynesian, aren't you?
Yes you do it the 70s way and nothing 'wrong' with that. I have a simple flat phono preamp into and ADC and thence to a miniDSP4x10HD which does RIAA, level control and active crossover. It has limitations (not enough presets and not enough digital inputs) but it works for me. as I have 10x number of albums on my server as vinyl it makes logical sense for me to optimise within budget for digitial sources. Is is audibly better? Likely not but I'm happy and the architecture of the minidsp means I still have many upgrade paths available to me should the need arise.
Yep, this is a good view to go. IMO
I easily understand the hesitation reported by @MITsound (assuming that I really understood that) since I'm a traditionalist 2-channels who considers the simpler analog technology (well, relatively simpler) the better, for good sound.
The real issue is maybe the ability (or less) to update one's views compared to the current digital skills that seem really huge and wide, and at least for me sometimes I can't follow them and often I refuge myself in my (few) certainties.
But they go back to "some" time ago...
How "Modern"...
I have 1.5TB of audio on my computer, but my entire chain for listening or sampling (until it hits the ADC) a record is vacuum tube based.
I can't imagine using digital directly from the cartridge... I think I'd rather push a pin into a styrofoam block, hang it from a string, and play the record with that.
I mean why not just download a file? Why bother with a record in the first place if you're just doing a digital conversion immediately?
Just curious? I really have never considered it 🙂
I have 1.5TB of audio on my computer, but my entire chain for listening or sampling (until it hits the ADC) a record is vacuum tube based.
I can't imagine using digital directly from the cartridge... I think I'd rather push a pin into a styrofoam block, hang it from a string, and play the record with that.
I mean why not just download a file? Why bother with a record in the first place if you're just doing a digital conversion immediately?
Just curious? I really have never considered it 🙂
All depends if you think ADC is transparent or not. To me compared to the several percent distortion playing a record produces it is, but I might be a cloth eared fool...
The several percent of distortion happens in the mechanical domain IMHO. And if you spend lots of money, you can reduce it mechanically.
A DSP can do it better for less money perhaps, but it's not analog.
Anyone can download a digital copy - I buy records because they are analog 🙂
A DSP can do it better for less money perhaps, but it's not analog.
Anyone can download a digital copy - I buy records because they are analog 🙂
ignoring the digitial delay line on the cutting lathe for many records 😛
But seriously I wouldn't try and persuade anyone to my viewpoint, just that I am happy with my choices and the control over the gain balance it gives me.
But seriously I wouldn't try and persuade anyone to my viewpoint, just that I am happy with my choices and the control over the gain balance it gives me.
So you change the frequency response with your mini DSP, I understand.
I like the sound of my system and the options available, so I'm unsure why so many here seem to think I should digitize it.
It's like they're being deliberately obtuse. To me, using an analog turntable for some of my music makes the sitting of a DAC near a speaker moot.
It does not mean I should race out and spend the time and money converting my collection to digital, them use the DAC to convert it back to analog to use it with my speakers.
Also, I don't need a DSP to substitute for a lack of knowledge on how to make my speakers sound as I wish them to.
I've made every kind of speaker in the past 35 years or so with I guess the exception of the ones using plasma tweeters, with or without analog crossovers in the speaker level or line level domain.
I think it's laughable that some people here are so bothered by me using a phono stage to preamplify a phono signal the sniff that their ADC and then back to a DAC process is more transparent than passing the signal through 3 parts on their way to the speaker: a paralleled resistor, capacitor and an inductor, as if saying passing that signal through a DSP that may have several dozens of parts and op amps simulating dozens of more parts has no effect on the signal it's changing to a different frequency response.
Do they examine their own statements?
" This introduces no distortions to the signals. It just changes them."
If someone wants to do that, fine.
I do stream a little, like my digital disks through a DAC, and like my records heard through cartridges I already own, with phono stages I already own, have tried a couple of digital eq's and digital room correction components and didn't like them, either set up by me or by the product representatives.
So my empirically based opinions won't be swayed by some forum posts to the contrary.
Each to their own, always, of course.
I sincerely doubt that anyone here thinks that you should digitise anything, or that anyone is bothered by you doing things the way you like best.
I'm not bothered at all and I doubt that anyone else is. I see where you're coming from and I absolutely respect that.
Yes. Simple sentences weren't enough.
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