Being somewhat hearing compromised myself, I wonder how, or if, I and persons with the same issue are effected by changes in volume? Do the Fletcher-Munson curves hold as true for us as a sixteen year old with 'perfect' hearing?
Thanks for the link, I just read it. I know the popping, as it happens to my right ear when running loud sine sweeps. Now I know why! Noise bothers me more than most people, but that's allways been the case.
Maybe you know of equal loudness charts for old codgers?
Maybe you know of equal loudness charts for old codgers?
What about "Tolerance For Loud Sounds Decreases with Age"?
Tolerance For Loud Noises Decreases With Age | EurekAlert! Science News
Tolerance For Loud Noises Decreases With Age | EurekAlert! Science News
Try this link:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwin_tv-pqDqAhX7TRUIHYbZDcoQFjAAegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jstage.jst.go.jp%2Farticle%2Fast%2F30%2F6%2F30_6_446%2F_pdf&usg=AOvVaw0gPEhIQ3BQu93qyzkFHb0M
Fig. 2 shows the comparison between young and older listeners. Much as you might expect.
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Good find - thanks! Wow those thresholds go up, don't they? And the 4K sensitivity takes a beatings.
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I will make my ears measured by a ear specialist if I as the op and ask him - the specialist- what is needed for compensation - filter in mind ?-
Not being a specialist I'm not sure the last octave is a true lost, I will be more worried about notch frequencies (frequencies lost) below... Though HF is important for transcients and snaps but have no idea where is the limit needed !
Sibilance being around 6 k , triangle iirc between 6k to 8 k, I surmise transcient and snap needed for the speed feeling is up to 10 k hz max, but this is just a feeling and subjective thoughts.😱
Had tests done by professional audiologist a few years ago. And probably lost some more high frequency since then.
Problem with self testing is that you can't really depend on computer speakers to be flat at either the low or high end. Would need to have some really good headphones like the audiologists use in order to have any confidence in the results.
Problem with self testing is that you can't really depend on computer speakers to be flat at either the low or high end. Would need to have some really good headphones like the audiologists use in order to have any confidence in the results.
well the guys that test that know perfectly all about the ears, M&F and all curves and you are not biased during the test. I personally test mines every two years. that incredible with the older people how the notchs can impact the phrases and words understanding I noticed.... despite the brain makes shortcuts with several syllables to match them for the context understanding.... I assume it's more difficult with music according the spectrum (piano, claps....)
The full-range offers a narrowing directivity, which I think is interesting and can of course also be achieved in multi-way style.
Here is a good hearing test. You can do it with speakers and one earplug (I suppose I didn't have to specify "one").
Online Hearing Test & Audiogram Printout
Online Hearing Test & Audiogram Printout
Is this the 100th time I've mentioned the El Greco fallacy at this forum?
When you go to a concert, is there anything wrong with the orchestra that needs EQ? (Hint: that's a trick question.)
You need to distinguish different functions of hearing. For example, the tonal balance can seem OK whatever your personal FR plot may be (it is the FR you are living with, eh). But you might still not be able to hear the triangle. You can hear the triangle if you boost the upper treble but then the tonal balance will be off.
A discussion for another day is just what does a hearing aid do.
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When you go to a concert, is there anything wrong with the orchestra that needs EQ? (Hint: that's a trick question.)
You need to distinguish different functions of hearing. For example, the tonal balance can seem OK whatever your personal FR plot may be (it is the FR you are living with, eh). But you might still not be able to hear the triangle. You can hear the triangle if you boost the upper treble but then the tonal balance will be off.
A discussion for another day is just what does a hearing aid do.
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I agree Ben, don't compensate for your hearing through your speakers, otherwise it will not sound natural the way you've come to accept that natural sounds currently (Unless you feel like a trip back in time each time you listen).
Also make sure your speakers go at least as high as you can hear for the same reason.
Also make sure your speakers go at least as high as you can hear for the same reason.
So with a good DSP it is possible to compensate for the speaker FR curve, the room curve, and your personal hearing curve. However, if I understand it correctly you are saying do not attempt doing anything about your hearing curve. It is what it is and if you attempt to compensate for it the result will not sound natural and in essence make things worse.
You were doing good until that sentence. After El Greco fallacy, might as well read about Adaptation Level. Contrary to your parentheses, adding treble boost does not make it sound like "back in time". It makes it sound shrill.
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