Of course - there are a number of bi-pole designs to be found below, of which I've built several.
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One caution to note is that under certain circumstances, the FR and WR125s could exhibit some unfortunate sonic behaviour - we at first attributed it to low damping factor SET amps with which we were flirting at the time, but also noticed the same with chip amps, and narrowed it down to that when driven very hard in under-damped vented enclosures the suspension's compliance didn't quite control the voice coil former from hitting the back plate on the return stroke.
I can never remember this being a problem in any of the sealed or aperiodic enclosures, such as the original mini-onken, or the little 4 litre wedge
Frugal-phile | Box Library / CSS
One caution to note is that under certain circumstances, the FR and WR125s could exhibit some unfortunate sonic behaviour - we at first attributed it to low damping factor SET amps with which we were flirting at the time, but also noticed the same with chip amps, and narrowed it down to that when driven very hard in under-damped vented enclosures the suspension's compliance didn't quite control the voice coil former from hitting the back plate on the return stroke.
I can never remember this being a problem in any of the sealed or aperiodic enclosures, such as the original mini-onken, or the little 4 litre wedge
Problemas is the money. No money todo purchase woofers. Justo hace some tweeters At home.
as "try" to say before... problem is that i dont have money to purchase woofers. just have a few small tweeters and a few ribbon tweeters
room are small. and looks like for bipole i need to place the speakers away from walls.
You might want to take a look a the Castle Microtower configuration - page 2 and 4 of this plan set, I think.
http://frugal-phile.com/boxlib/P10free/microTower-maps-020615.pdf
I've built 3 pairs of this format so far - 2 with the top panel angled forward at 10dg, and quite like them.
If the room is small enough that the system wouldn't be driven to the extremes likely to cause the issues I described above, they might work very well with appropriately revised vent tuning / damping.
Dave - any thoughts?
http://frugal-phile.com/boxlib/P10free/microTower-maps-020615.pdf
I've built 3 pairs of this format so far - 2 with the top panel angled forward at 10dg, and quite like them.
If the room is small enough that the system wouldn't be driven to the extremes likely to cause the issues I described above, they might work very well with appropriately revised vent tuning / damping.
Dave - any thoughts?
I'd base it on the box attached: the slot vent can be left as is or damped (i typically use "stiff" open cel foam) up to the point where it transitions to fully aperiodic.
dave
Did we ever build a pair of those? I can certainly remember a little wedgie monopole with a series of small holes in the slanted backside, of which the the location photo escapes me.
I also got to thinking about a derivation on this one as well - as I recall they worked quite well:
http://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/box-plans/Bipolar-bipoles.gif
25 litre sealed - it probably wouldn't take much to tilt the top to a 10dg forward slant - I know I sound like a broken record on that, but I've lived with a couple of pairs of them now, and really like both the aesthetic and sonic performance vs the standard front to back bipole.
Quickie sketch attached - the CSA has been been modified for a square footprint - also just a personal fetish with this type of design. Not shown is internal lateral bracing, the scheme for which can be as simple as a few thick dowels, or as elaborate as you like - guess which I tend to use.
I also got to thinking about a derivation on this one as well - as I recall they worked quite well:
http://p10hifi.net/tlinespeakers/FAL/box-plans/Bipolar-bipoles.gif
25 litre sealed - it probably wouldn't take much to tilt the top to a 10dg forward slant - I know I sound like a broken record on that, but I've lived with a couple of pairs of them now, and really like both the aesthetic and sonic performance vs the standard front to back bipole.
Quickie sketch attached - the CSA has been been modified for a square footprint - also just a personal fetish with this type of design. Not shown is internal lateral bracing, the scheme for which can be as simple as a few thick dowels, or as elaborate as you like - guess which I tend to use.
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ok will build some of these design maybe 25 degree (coz will be easy to use an router bit for that) what abt tweeter, i have small ones, that purchased with the FR125 i remember that was cheap ones plastic ones. and have 5 x AurumCantus G2Si.
is possible to add any of these additional tweeters without made an expensive xover?
this URL http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=83025.msg801347#msg801347 show some similar design. and some guy say about add an small cap to the 2nd driver, what think abt that? Best Sounding Single Drivers
is possible to add any of these additional tweeters without made an expensive xover?
this URL http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=83025.msg801347#msg801347 show some similar design. and some guy say about add an small cap to the 2nd driver, what think abt that? Best Sounding Single Drivers
well, will start the box this weekend, i will use two of FR125s + one tweeter.
Abt tweeter think that will use the cheapest ApexJr ones (have AurumaCantus G2Si but think that are too much for the FR125S, right?)
will place both drivers in front of the box, external dimensions will be something like 310mm x 138mm x 950mm, this will be something like 26l are of for a sealed box, right?
Abt tweeter think that will use the cheapest ApexJr ones (have AurumaCantus G2Si but think that are too much for the FR125S, right?)
will place both drivers in front of the box, external dimensions will be something like 310mm x 138mm x 950mm, this will be something like 26l are of for a sealed box, right?
As Dave said above, Bob at CSS used to have a kit for these, and most likely would still have specs for his XO handy.
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While others may opine differently, I'd avoid going too cheap on XO components - Bob certainly never did, and I doubt the AC tweeter would overlook the sound of EL caps
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While others may opine differently, I'd avoid going too cheap on XO components - Bob certainly never did, and I doubt the AC tweeter would overlook the sound of EL caps
well next week will be in USA, hope i can purchase some additional FR125S, and xover parts for the 2way design (or 3 way) im very lost now
was thinking about purchase full finished speakers like polk monitor 70 that are in very good price, but very hard to ship it via airline to Argentina :/
was thinking purchase another drivers and build a new center, front channels using my G2Si but looks waste of money too.
so mayebe will purchase xover parts (i think that bob dont answer my email and i write it two months ago) + more FR125 so can use pair in fronts and center and others in my surrounds
Think that will be a nice choice, right?
was thinking about purchase full finished speakers like polk monitor 70 that are in very good price, but very hard to ship it via airline to Argentina :/
was thinking purchase another drivers and build a new center, front channels using my G2Si but looks waste of money too.
so mayebe will purchase xover parts (i think that bob dont answer my email and i write it two months ago) + more FR125 so can use pair in fronts and center and others in my surrounds
Think that will be a nice choice, right?
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