Hello!
This might seem like a stupid question, as I don't know much about configurations of different speakers but I thought I should ask here as I haven't found much information about it online.
I currently have two XOC TH18s (temporarily loaded with Ev DL18 M1), and two 186 cabs (Loaded with eminence omega pro).
My main question is, once I continue to expand, will it be a problem mixing these tapped horns and folded horns, should I run them with the same crossover or EQ them separately? I know that horns with scoops often cause a lot of phasing issues but I haven't heard much about different kinds of horns, possibly because tapped horns are less common and people who buy them often will have sets of 6 or more and obviously don't need other subs.
Cheers!
This might seem like a stupid question, as I don't know much about configurations of different speakers but I thought I should ask here as I haven't found much information about it online.
I currently have two XOC TH18s (temporarily loaded with Ev DL18 M1), and two 186 cabs (Loaded with eminence omega pro).
My main question is, once I continue to expand, will it be a problem mixing these tapped horns and folded horns, should I run them with the same crossover or EQ them separately? I know that horns with scoops often cause a lot of phasing issues but I haven't heard much about different kinds of horns, possibly because tapped horns are less common and people who buy them often will have sets of 6 or more and obviously don't need other subs.
Cheers!
Same thing applies here. Those speakers not only have different frequency responses, they also have different phase responses as well. Mixing and matching them may likely lead to undesirable results.
Have you had much use of the TH18 loaded with DL18 driver?
I’d have concerns about the performance, let alone longevity- it’s an old school driver that doesn’t suit a TH
I’d have concerns about the performance, let alone longevity- it’s an old school driver that doesn’t suit a TH
Thanks for your response! We demoed them using the 186s as subs cut off around 90hz, and the TH18s as kicks running from 90-150 (I know this is not advised - it was not my idea). They sounded alright but obviously lacking a lot. Just wondering if there was a way to run both of them in one rig covering the same section.
Thanks for the response! Thought this might be the case - will do a bit of testing but looks like the move is just selling on the 186s and getting more TH18s.
We got a good deal on the cabs loaded with them, haven't managed to get my hands on better drivers yet. Was looking at B&C TBX100s because of the similar TSP to the B&CSW115 and better price tag (currently working on quite a budget unfortunately). What drivers would you reccomend?
Cheers
What is the reason to use them at the same time (your question isn't fully developed yet in a potentially complex situation)?
How do they compare with each other in their capabilities (there's no sense combining them if one can't keep up or if one doesn't make a difference because it's running differently)?
How do they compare with each other in their capabilities (there's no sense combining them if one can't keep up or if one doesn't make a difference because it's running differently)?
Confucius says: "If you don't know exactly what you're doing, don't mix subs. And if you know what you're doing, you probably won't even think of it."
Kind regards
Kind regards
Scoops, tapped horns, horns et al all have so much energy storage and slow decay (poor transient response) that worrying about dispersion/phase response/frequency response etc. becomes somewhat moot...
I would suggest that if you stack them all together, EQ it properly, and play music the punters expect you won't get any complaints. Remember that 99% of the public are completely cloth-eared - doubly so after a few pints.
You will drive yourself crazy to little avail by worrying about the minutiae of response anomalies, even though it is real in your mind.
(In mine too...!).
I would suggest that if you stack them all together, EQ it properly, and play music the punters expect you won't get any complaints. Remember that 99% of the public are completely cloth-eared - doubly so after a few pints.
You will drive yourself crazy to little avail by worrying about the minutiae of response anomalies, even though it is real in your mind.
(In mine too...!).
MrK,
I have to disagree. If the cabs end up cancelling each other over some frequency range, it will be very very noticeable as a lack of output.
I must also stress that while you personally might prioritise transient response, high output is a much higher priority in this arena.
Marley,
I'd say your options are:
Chris
I have to disagree. If the cabs end up cancelling each other over some frequency range, it will be very very noticeable as a lack of output.
I must also stress that while you personally might prioritise transient response, high output is a much higher priority in this arena.
Marley,
I'd say your options are:
- Pick a cabinet and stick with it. If you want it louder, build more.
- Get good with a measurement mic, process and power the different cabinets separately, and then work on getting them aligned over a useful frequency range. It's possible, but won't be easy. If you want to get started on that, let me know and I'll see what resources I can dig up for you.
Chris